14:30:09 From Ben Rive : Hi everyone :) 14:30:29 From Garry Platt : Hello from the High Peak District 14:30:51 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Welcome everyone 14:33:16 From Kai D : can hear you 14:33:19 From Garry Platt : Your coming through loud and clear 14:33:19 From Lissie : Hi from Devon :) yes can hear you 14:33:28 From Gail Ashurst : Hi everyone 14:33:31 From WYRD WAR : We hear you in Portland, Oregon! 14:33:43 From Lissie : yep 14:33:53 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Hello Lissie. The Folklore Podcast is based here in Devon too :) 14:33:54 From Garry Bliss : Hello from Providence, Rhode Island 14:34:05 From 808363 : I hear you 14:34:07 From Lissie : Oh wicked! xD 14:34:42 From Garry Bliss : Another two R Garry ! 14:37:15 From Garry Platt : Question: Is this the right question format? 14:37:30 From sueterry : Hello from Harrow NW London 14:38:35 From Garry Platt : Question: What's the font used for the title Rural Gothic? 14:39:11 From Lissie : woah sweet 14:40:27 From Garry Platt : Statement: If all the answers are going to be this comprehensive my knowledge is going to increase exponentially. 14:41:31 From Lissie : the powerpoint 14:41:33 From Franchesca Todd : Title screen 14:41:33 From Garry Platt : I can see the title 14:43:01 From Garry Platt : Question: Is that a piano you're sat beside? 14:43:09 From Lissie : you guys don't do that? lol 14:43:30 From Kai D : When I was a student in Wales I literally picked a guy up from a bar by asking him back to mine for a cup of tea. 14:43:40 From Kai D : I felt the most biggest English cliché ever but it worked 14:43:41 From Garry Platt : I can't wait for a quick blast of Knees Up Mother Brown! 14:46:26 From howard david ingham : Feel free everyone to mingle, shout out, wave, or do TikTok dances in the video box. We're going to be starting in a few minutes. 14:46:56 From Natalie Guest : hello fellow folky folks 14:46:58 From Franchesca Todd : Hi, everyone. I'm excited to be here and looking forward to it. 14:47:01 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Hi Nat 14:47:18 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Hello Franchesca 14:47:19 From Brigid Burke : Hello everyone! Will be popping in and out of the session, but glad to be here. 14:47:31 From Garry Platt : Anybody prepared to do a ritual sacrifice before we start for good luck? Asking for a friend. 14:47:34 From Franchesca Todd : Hi, Mark. 14:47:41 From howard david ingham : lol Garry 14:48:13 From Giving Ground : I sacrificed 6 chicken eggs in a massive omelette. hope that counts 14:48:34 From Kai D : I sacrificed an entire energy drink. 14:48:36 From Garry Platt : Doesn't need to be a cow or goat, a Covid virus will do? 14:48:57 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : That's a substantial omelette 14:48:58 From Kai D : I was going to ration it sensibly but suddenly it was just gone. 14:49:02 From Kit Whitfield : Hello everyone 14:49:09 From Giving Ground : Kai you slayed a monster 14:49:29 From Brigid Burke : I’d be happy to sacrifice the Covid virus, though I fortunately don’t have one here. 14:49:41 From Natalie Guest : I am currently sacrificing a large bowl of tofu in miso broth 14:49:55 From Kai D : oo I love tofu 14:49:57 From Garry Platt : I'll settle for a bacterium? 14:50:02 From Giving Ground : Syncretism FTW Natalie 14:50:12 From Franchesca Todd : Ha, I'm currently trying to do my Latin homework so I won't read anything aloud. 14:50:19 From Kit Whitfield : Well, there’s the offer of TikTok dances in the video screens. If I did that, I’d definitely be sacrificing my dignity. And possibly all your faith in the human species. 14:50:38 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Probably worth it, TBH 14:50:42 From Kai D : I think that kind of thing increases my faith :) 14:51:01 From Kit Whitfield : ;-) 14:51:07 From Justin Mullis : Should have made some James Frazer-inspired ritual oat cakes. Maybe for tomorrow. 14:51:09 From Garry Platt : I lost my faith soon after the first series of Britain's Got Talent. 14:51:19 From Kit Whitfield : Now I want oat cakes. 14:51:30 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : I want to see Natalie's miso soup 14:51:42 From Franchesca Todd : Oooh, I have some oat cakes. Good call. 14:52:00 From Garry Platt : What's the best libation to drink during this event? 14:52:01 From Natalie Guest : you don't get to see it, i'm in my jimjams. imagine the soup 14:52:10 From Giving Ground : Oat cakes are definitely a worthy offering 14:52:19 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : I follow you on Twitter - there will probably be a photo later ;) 14:52:32 From Natalie Guest : BURN - but deserved. 14:52:35 From Kai D : "Imagine the soup" sounds very philosophical and meditative somehow 14:52:46 From howard david ingham : people are still filing in 14:52:47 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : *snigger* - your food always looks awesome 14:52:57 From Kit Whitfield : I’ve just joined Twitter. Apart from The Folklore Podcast and Howard David Ingham, has anyone got good recommends? 14:53:07 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : So many! 14:53:11 From Natalie Guest : Hookland twitter is good fun 14:53:15 From howard david ingham : among the speakers here who are on Twitter are: 14:53:23 From Madeleine : Hello from Melbourne. It’s coffee time because it’s almost midnight 14:53:27 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Al is at @boneandsickle 14:53:30 From howard david ingham : Jon Dear: @AccordingtoJonD 14:54:13 From Romany Reagan : It’s wine time. 14:54:14 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : @ScarredForLife2 14:54:16 From howard david ingham : Rich Blackett: @ofwolfanmanbook 14:54:33 From Theresa Dewa : @edhorrorfest 14:54:33 From Madeleine : @FolkloreThursday …of course 14:54:37 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : My non-podcast Twitter is @Mr_Mark_Norman 14:55:06 From sueterry : @womenofmagick 14:55:14 From howard david ingham : Ashley Thorpe: @Carrionscreamin 14:55:26 From howard david ingham : Dr. Romany Reagan: @msromany 14:55:48 From howard david ingham : Hermetic Arts:@Hermetic_Arts 14:55:57 From Theresa Dewa : Also woth a follow, cant remember their @ Hayley Stevens Deborah Hyde Caroline Watt 14:56:08 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Scan the list of who The Folklore Podcast follows on Twitter and you will pick up a load of folklore ones 14:56:20 From sueterry : Actually, forgot the caps: @WomenOfMagick that’ll get it 14:56:26 From howard david ingham : I'm @HowtheWoodMoves and also @Room207Press and Jon and I co-run @BERGCASTCalling 14:56:29 From Theresa Dewa : The real life ghost stories podcast people also worth a follow 14:56:45 From Oli Hembrough : Great. I’ll definitely get following. Ta. 14:57:16 From Kit Whitfield : Thank you! Taking this down as fast as I can! 14:57:27 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : The chat window will be here all day 14:57:34 From Natalie Guest : we hear you 14:57:36 From Oli Hembrough : yes 14:57:36 From Lissie : yes can hear 14:57:36 From Garry Platt : Loud and clear 14:57:38 From Pinkie : Can hear you! 14:57:39 From Franchesca Todd : Yes. 14:57:39 From Justin Mullis : I hear you 14:57:42 From sueterry : Thanks for follows, groovy magical ones! 14:57:45 From Giving Ground : I can hear voices 14:58:24 From sueterry : Hi Lucya! 14:58:26 From Inez : cant hear anythin do 14:58:27 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Unless they are wearing pyjamas ;) 14:58:48 From Inez : new to zoom, any ideas? 14:59:17 From Lissie : oh god 14:59:23 From Oli Hembrough : Haaa! 14:59:30 From Lissie : Inez, try joining computer audio 14:59:32 From Justin Mullis : @Inez did you give Zoom permission to access your audio? 14:59:40 From Natalie Guest : it's not that sort of shindig then? 14:59:44 From Inez : will look now 14:59:46 From Pinkie : They got a different kind of show than expected 14:59:51 From Giving Ground : rural gothic OnlyFans? 15:00:12 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : If you use Twitter, why not hashtag #ruralgothic 15:00:36 From Inez : excellent , worked cheers 😀 15:02:11 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Can everyone please MUTE if they are not already. Thank you 15:02:26 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : iPhone and Fiona need to 15:02:53 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Thank you 15:03:04 From Kit Whitfield : Applause!!! 15:03:05 From Lissie : *clapclapclap* 15:03:06 From Franchesca Todd : Applause. 15:03:24 From sueterry : Cheers! Claps! 15:10:28 From Lissie : oop Jake got muted 15:10:34 From Lissie : gotcha 15:10:37 From Lissie : hear you now 15:12:13 From Méabh de Brún : Is everyone else able to hear audio or is it just me having issues 15:12:28 From Franchesca Todd : I can hear fine. 15:12:30 From Lissie : I can hear ok 15:12:36 From Méabh de Brún : Ok thanks 15:14:34 From Helena Nash : Meabh, I had to click by the microphone icon (bottom right of the screen) to get the pop-up, and under Speaker Settings, click on Same As System. 15:15:18 From Méabh de Brún : I got it sorted thank you very much! 15:21:02 From howard david ingham : whoa! 15:21:13 From sueterry : I say! 15:36:10 From Justin Mullis : Molth? 15:36:28 From WYRD WAR : Moulth 15:39:39 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : The Marion Mark which you find inscribed on building for protection can also be found in the palm of your hand :) 15:39:52 From Giving Ground : Could Jake expand on the syncretism between Cyprian and Christianity. has it been deliberately covered up or just forgotten? 15:39:56 From Garry Bliss : WHAT is in the lines of the hand? 15:40:32 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Looks like a capital M Garry, or VV upside down. It is used as an apotropaic mark 15:40:57 From Garry Bliss : TY 15:42:02 From sueterry : Thanks again for a great talk Jake, loads to ponder/work on further! x 15:44:01 From Garry Bliss : Q: Expand more on what you alluded to in terms of the Eucharist. 15:44:23 From Oli Hembrough : we’re really new to this, could you recommend some beginners reading?! 15:44:59 From KK Rose : Perhaps someone on FB can post that list to Twitter with a the rural gothic folklore hashtag? I'm not on FB but would love that list Jake just said would be up. 15:45:00 From Julie Buyer : what is Eucharist? 15:45:19 From Julie Buyer : the thing ith the wine and bread? 15:45:33 From Brigid Burke : Transubstantiation! 15:46:25 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : I'm hoping to send out follow up emails to everyone after the weekend. I will try and include some of this information in those emails. I'll make a note to get some sources 15:46:30 From Giving Ground : can you recommend where NOT start or what NOT. to read? 15:46:41 From KK Rose : Thank you, Mark, 15:46:57 From Oli Hembrough : thanks 15:47:38 From sueterry : And Hadean Press! Jake has written some pamphlets for them! £5 15:47:55 From frocker : Geosophia is a gem, cannot recommend that enough! 15:50:42 From Giving Ground : recommended listening? 15:52:08 From Justin Mullis : I know this wasn't really about Sir Walter Scott but I've been doing resarch on Scott's connections to cryptozoology so it was interesting to hear about how his work influenced the occult as well. 15:53:01 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : He certainly mentions Black Dogs in there 15:54:12 From Sandra Ireland : Hi there- I'm trying to find out about the story of Gilpin Horner, a Border goblin mentioned by Scott- any ideas? 15:54:43 From Sandra Ireland : Thank you!! 15:55:21 From KK Rose : Thank you Jake, that was incredible. 15:55:25 From Kit Whitfield : Clappy hands! 15:55:29 From Sarah : Thank you so much! 15:55:30 From Cheryl : :applause: 15:55:30 From Oli Hembrough : thank you so much 15:55:35 From Franchesca Todd : Wild applause. Thank you! 15:55:37 From WYRD WAR : Thank you, Jake! 15:55:38 From GILL LAKER : Thanks :-) 15:55:39 From Marie Hodgson : thank you Jake 15:55:39 From Laura Page : Thank you Jake! 15:55:41 From holly Elsdon : Many thanks! 15:55:41 From Alex Stevens : Amazing. thank you 15:55:44 From Julie Buyer : Thanks! 15:55:45 From Inez : brilliNt 15:55:46 From K. B. Frazier : 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 15:55:47 From frocker : Cheers fella! 15:55:51 From Ben Rive : Thank you Jake :) 15:56:03 From Sandra Ireland : Thank you- very interesting! 15:57:08 From KK Rose : Are we hearing a soap opera? lol 15:57:22 From Kit Whitfield : This is very dramatic! 15:57:29 From KK Rose : Riveting! 15:57:33 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : I've messaged her 15:57:35 From Kit Whitfield : It’s full of good advice! 15:57:37 From Ollie Smith : It's not TV. It's their actual conversation 15:57:42 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Hahaha 15:57:45 From Kit Whitfield : Don’t punish confused people! Being a good person means being good to everyone! 15:57:46 From Romany Reagan : PUNISH DAN! PUNISH HIM! 15:57:48 From Kai D : I too hope that Dan is not punished 15:57:50 From Helena Nash : Aw, I was enjoying that. 15:57:56 From KK Rose : I'm team Punish Dan. 15:58:06 From Sandra Ireland : Ideas for my next novel!! 15:58:09 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : There's still time 15:58:12 From Kit Whitfield : A religious schism arises over Dan! 15:58:20 From Jake Stratton-Kent : thanks to everyone for tuning in, I'm in dire need of a beer now :D xoxox 15:58:28 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Thanks Jake 15:58:31 From Julie Buyer : just googled. It's Gossip Girl 15:58:36 From Romany Reagan : Thank you Jake! 15:58:38 From Madeleine D'Este : Thanks Jake - super interesting 16:00:40 From Kit Whitfield : Ooh, is this you, Sandra - ‘The queen of Scottish folklore inspired domestic noir?' 16:00:52 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : If you like this sort of thing and want to find out when we put on more events, or see who is speaking on The Folklore Podcast Lecture Series, or The Folklore Podcast Book Club, visit the website at www.thefolklorepodcast.com and sign up for the newsletter. We only send real news once or twice a month. No spammy stuff! 16:01:38 From Madeleine D'Este : yes - that’s the same Sandra Ireland! 16:01:52 From howard david ingham : I hear there's a very good one coming up about pagan village conspiracies 16:02:09 From Sandra Ireland : It kinda of is, Kit, but I'm blushing! 16:02:23 From Sandra Ireland : Hi Madeleine! 16:02:40 From Madeleine D'Este : Fancy seeing you here, Sandra :) 16:02:55 From Sandra Ireland : Folklore? I'm there! 16:03:17 From sueterry : May I draw peoples attention to the Magickal Women pre-Halloween Zoom weekend 17/18 October? Black Shuck was mentioned earlier and we’ve got him too! :) magickalwomenconference.com. 16:03:22 From Kit Whitfield : Gonna go check them out. :-) 16:03:49 From Sandra Ireland : Where do we find out about that Sue? 16:04:16 From Sandra Ireland : Ok I see the website! 16:05:57 From Kit Whitfield : Just went and bough t’Beneath the Skin.’ You had me at ‘A taxidermist with a secret.’ ;-) 16:06:32 From KK Rose : Oooh thank you SueTerry, that looks good. 16:06:40 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : The next in The Folklore Podcast Lectures series is next Saturday at 8pm BST. Subject: "The Wild Hunt". Tickets at bit.ly/tfplectures 16:06:47 From sueterry : Hi Sandra website www.magickalwomenconference.com. we are. On Facebook @magickalwomen. Twitter @WomenOfMagick. And Instagram @WomenOfMagick lots of fun and spooky season stuff:witchcraft, Duppies, spectres, Ghosts of London, Mexican Day of the Dead (plus ritual) and Faery. :) all welcome! Do join us if you can 16:07:27 From Sandra Ireland : I found you! 16:08:18 From sueterry : Hurrah! We love the Folklore Podcast too. If it’s magic/k, we’re there! 16:08:51 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Thanks Sue 16:09:29 From Theresa Dewa : Just shared the Magickal Women Conference with our followers at EdHorrorFest. It seems like something our followers would enjoy. Thank you for sharing info about the conference Sue! 16:10:03 From Sandra Ireland : I've tweeted details too! 16:10:07 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : I have shared it to the Folklore Podcast listeners too 16:10:33 From Catherine Kneale : The Magickal Women talks have been keeping me entertained and sane on Sundays and they've been really enjoyable and interesting. Still got to tackle the reading list though! 16:10:45 From sueterry : My pleasure Theresa and thank you so much for sharing! It’s so good to be in contact with so many people who all share similar good stuff 16:11:27 From sueterry : Yes, we do love a reading list don’t e Catherine??! Hope we see you tomorrow evening for the final Summer salon of 2020 (sob!) 16:11:33 From Theresa Dewa : Agreed! That is one of the benefits of these sorts of digital events. 16:11:50 From Catherine Kneale : So sad :( !! 16:12:02 From sueterry : Yes, lockdown benefits have been few, but this kinda thing has been stellar! 16:12:15 From Julie Buyer : Is the EdHorrorFest online/zoom this year, or are you guys in the UK safe to meet in person already? I'm in the US, but if it's online/zoom, I'd be interested. 16:12:17 From Catherine Kneale : Absolutely! 16:12:28 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : It's been good for reaching international audiences 16:12:37 From Kit Whitfield : The UK lockdown rules keep changing, so probably best to assume nothing! 16:12:42 From Theresa Dewa : Hi Julie, yes! We will be online with almost all of our shows this year! 16:12:54 From Julie Buyer : Agreed. Attending things I couldn't have made it to in person has been one of the few good things to come out of all of this. 16:13:10 From Julie Buyer : Thanks 16:13:21 From KK Rose : It's been the best way to get through this very wonky summer. 16:13:33 From Catherine Kneale : Thanks to everyone who organises these sorts of things! 16:13:35 From Julie Buyer : Definitely. Stuff like this helps restore a sense of time 16:13:48 From Catherine Kneale : And connection. 16:13:48 From Julie Buyer : and structure, too 16:14:23 From Madeleine D'Este : And it’s a great opportunity for people like me in the Southern hemisphere to attend the conferences too! 16:14:24 From Catherine Kneale : And you can look at cats! 16:14:42 From Theresa Dewa : The EdHorror Fest will be launching the official program later this week. You can find us @edhorrorfest on twitter, Instagram, and facebook. And https://www.edhorrorfest.co.uk/ 16:14:46 From Julie Buyer : Seeing everyone's pets has been fun 16:15:10 From KK Rose : I'm in Southern California and never could have attended this or a few others I've done the past few months. Happy to support such events! 16:15:56 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : The Folklore Podcast Lectures and the forthcoming book club YouTube strand both came about purely because of lockdown 16:16:33 From Kit Whitfield : Ooh, what’s the YouTube book club? 16:16:56 From Sandra Ireland : That sounds interesting! 16:16:58 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : It starts soon. Subscribe to the Folklore Podcast YouTube channel and it will appear soon 16:17:10 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Folklore book blogs, author interviews and reviews 16:17:16 From howard david ingham : I deid a lecture series of my own over the summer. It was a great way to get connect with people on the other side of the pond. 16:17:25 From Julie Buyer : I participated in an online version of The Great Big Jewish Food Fest this year, which I couldn't have done in person, and it was the most fun week I've had in a long while 16:17:35 From Julie Buyer : I cooked and baked (and learned) so many things 16:17:36 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Joanna Harris is lined up soon, so some good names coming in 16:17:42 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Joanne 16:17:50 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Can't type today it seems 16:17:55 From sueterry : Ta for the Ed links too will share. Zoom has been such a boost - we have enjoyed a truly international audience for our Summer Salons which is wonderful. Im so glad that there’s so much more of this going on. 16:18:16 From KK Rose : Being able to participate in a Vincent Price movie watch with other fans and his daughter might be the highlight of my year. 16:18:28 From Julie Buyer : I can't imagine having to do this whole quarantine without zoom and the internet. That's like a nightmare. 16:18:38 From sueterry : Gosh I missed a treat with that Jewish Food Festival! 16:18:42 From Julie Buyer : It was Amazing 16:18:52 From Julie Buyer : and I got several new recipes out of it, too 16:19:07 From Sandra Ireland : That sounds wonderful! 16:19:21 From howard david ingham : The Vincent Price movie watch sounds awesome 16:19:38 From howard david ingham : Love Vincent Price. He got me into horror. 16:19:47 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Howard is going to be premiering a new lecture on The Folklore Podcast Lectures next month too 16:20:18 From howard david ingham : Pagan Village Conspiracies! 16:20:32 From Kit Whitfield : It was you they wanted all along... 16:20:40 From howard david ingham : I mean I just thought I'd say that. That's not relevant or anything 16:20:40 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Yes, that 16:20:49 From KK Rose : lol 16:20:53 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : You can find more at bit.ly/tfplectures 16:21:12 From Kit Whitfield : Do you think there’s an emotional correspondence with the Clive Barker ethos? 16:21:27 From KK Rose : Thx Mark 16:21:31 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Welcome our next speaker to the room - Stephen Brotherstone 16:21:33 From howard david ingham : WE HAVE SUCH SIGHTS TO SHOW YOU 16:21:37 From M A : Getting to digitally attend lectures has been a really relieving part of the last few months for me. 16:21:45 From howard david ingham : Welcome, Stephen 16:21:56 From Kit Whitfield : I mean, the whole, ‘It’s yours … It always was…’; 16:22:03 From Kit Whitfield : Anyway, Hello Stephen!! 16:22:22 From howard david ingham : Well, It wasn't going to be DO I LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO CARES WHAT GOD THINKS? 16:22:28 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : We will be kicking off again in just under 10 minutes time 16:22:31 From howard david ingham : Sorry, Pinhead only talks in ALL CAPS 16:22:32 From Max : Welcome, Stephen! 16:22:34 From Stephen Brotherstone : hello, everyone! 16:22:52 From Kit Whitfield : :-) 16:22:54 From Greg Reynard : Hi Stephen! 16:22:55 From Sandra Ireland : I think I'm on here twice- I'm going to get one of me to leave.. 16:23:05 From Ben Rive : Hi Stephen 16:23:08 From howard david ingham : I did wonder 16:23:13 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Send the evil one away 16:23:15 From Kit Whitfield : Everybody stand back in case Sandra’s exorcism gets messy… 16:23:21 From howard david ingham : How did you manage that, Sandra? 16:23:23 From KK Rose : oh dear 16:23:37 From howard david ingham : Hang on, wasn't there a movie on Shudder about this? 16:23:38 From Sandra Ireland : My evil twin is gone and I'm still here! 16:23:39 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Who ordered the pea soup? 16:23:48 From Catherine Kneale : The other day I could see someone's face and the top of their head at once. That was weird. 16:24:03 From Sandra Ireland : I love Zoom! 16:24:05 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Was that in Real Life Catherine?! 16:24:20 From Catherine Kneale : What is real life anyway these days? 16:24:36 From Claire Slack : Wasn't the online doppleganger in the movie Cam? Beware XD 16:24:54 From Giving Ground : I’ve encountered people Christian, Jewish, and even Islamic faiths who’ve been exploring the lesser known mystical/magickal paths of their beliefs recently 16:24:56 From Ben Rive : Yes! 16:25:00 From KK Rose : I can hear you. 16:25:05 From Sandra Ireland : yes! 16:25:31 From Laura Page : Welcome to the world of Zoom! 16:25:42 From Sandra Ireland : It's ok, we never heard that 16:25:55 From Giving Ground : were you using Teams or Skype? 16:28:23 From Giving Ground : imagine trying to Google “The The” 16:29:04 From Julie Buyer : sound file hosting is expensive, so a lot of online music is gone 16:29:20 From Julie Buyer : and angelfire and other hosting sites went down and took a lot of sites with them 16:29:41 From Greg Reynard : Loved Mondo 2000!! R U Sirius! 16:30:13 From Giving Ground : we need a mondo 2000 fans appreciation group 16:30:54 From howard david ingham : And sweets. Don't forget the sweets. 16:31:26 From Kit Whitfield : I Want To Bite Your Finger scared me so much I actually hallucinated… 16:32:57 From Nat : I feel like i'd have been good at the 70s. missed out 16:33:36 From Garry Bliss : Liverpool! Say HI to Maca for me. Thanks 16:36:25 From rkent : And as major professor used to say, "Then a stranger comes to town.", 16:36:50 From Helena Nash : "This is your dish!" 16:37:09 From Giving Ground : Vault of Terror and Theatre of Blood are soooo good. like delicious forbidden treats 16:37:17 From howard david ingham : Flash Gordon and Theatre of Blood. Hard agree. 16:37:33 From Julie Buyer : The Gothic Literature group on LibrarThing has an ongoing and protracted thread discussing Folk Horror, including how to define it: https://www.librarything.com/topic/322684 16:37:39 From Garry Platt : The Abominable Dr. Phibes 16:37:41 From Giving Ground : Asphyx too! 16:40:38 From Garry Bliss : “The Race for the Devil”? 16:41:03 From Helena Nash : "Race with The Devil" 16:41:09 From Nat : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073600/ 16:41:28 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Thanks Nat 16:42:49 From Erin LeCroy : I loved that movie 16:44:01 From holly Elsdon : didn't catch the title-anyone? 16:44:20 From Jordan Wolfe : from beyond the grave! 16:44:32 From Jordan Wolfe : (1974) 16:44:32 From Helena Nash : "From Beyond The Grave" 16:44:38 From Nat : there's actually an elemental sitting on your shoulder right now.... it's only visible through the video screen 16:45:44 From GILL LAKER : Adam Scovell has a wonderful website called Celluloid Wicker Man with eerie homemade films, film reviews and walks, as well as a thread on Folk Horror. 16:45:54 From GILL LAKER : https://celluloidwickerman.com/ 16:46:22 From annie k : thanks, all, for adding the titles here! I’m in the midst of chopping veg so this is extremely helpful! 16:47:16 From Joule : "Moraine"? 16:47:17 From Ellis : Murrain: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0400143/ 16:47:23 From Joule : thanks! 16:47:32 From GILL LAKER : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_pTzBqrQ0s 16:48:49 From howard david ingham : We Don't Go Back 16:50:21 From Catherine Kneale : I would really like a Nigel Kneale retrospective season. Not just saying that because I like to pretend we're related. :) 16:50:50 From howard david ingham : SHUCKS 16:51:00 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Yeah, that'll be Howard! 16:51:27 From Ellis : Baby: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0520322/ 16:51:37 From holly Elsdon : Baby is terrifying! But I love her dresses! 16:51:48 From Kit Whitfield : I always thought the title ‘Baby’ could apply as much to Peter as to anything else… 16:52:04 From Ellis : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVq6xKhk3A 16:52:11 From Nat : https://www.amazon.co.uk/We-Dont-Go-Back-Watchers-ebook/dp/B07FXNKD7P by @howard 16:52:30 From David Allkins : 'During Barty's Party' from the same series is also really scary 16:52:53 From Helena Nash : Peter later becomes Manimal. Coincidence...? ;) 16:52:58 From Garry Bliss : Loving these links and resources 16:55:01 From Nat : i'd love to read a feminist reading on folk horror, bc there's a lot of stuff around dismissal of women (see also robin redbreast obv), body horror pregnancy stuff 16:55:21 From Catherine Kneale : That sounds great 16:55:25 From Joule : Nat, I was thinking the same 16:55:54 From Ollie Smith : @Nat - see the book 'The Dread of Difference' 16:55:59 From Kai D : What was the title of the Christmas dinner one? 16:56:05 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Howard, this sounds like the theme for RURAL GOTHIC 2 developing... 16:56:14 From howard david ingham : Kai: The Exorcism. 16:56:19 From Kai D : thanks! 16:56:26 From Julie Buyer : Is it just me, or are all of these ancient evils also women? 16:56:31 From Ellis : Dead of Night - The Exorcism: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346845/?ref_=tt_urv 16:56:47 From David Allkins : The Xmas one is 'The Exorcism' from 'Dead of Night'. 16:56:55 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : So, would people like us to organise Rural Gothic 2 as "Women in Folk Horror" ? 16:57:01 From Catherine Kneale : Yes!!! 16:57:02 From Joule : there's some notion that women are more attuned to the supernatural, or embody the supernatural 16:57:10 From Méabh de Brún : Hell yeah 16:57:12 From Jordan Wolfe : ooooh yes 16:57:19 From Mary : Yes!! 16:57:19 From Garry Bliss : YES indeed 16:57:21 From Alex Stevens : Women in folk - yes please 16:57:24 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Gosh yes please, that would link in nicely with my MA research 16:57:26 From Catherine Kneale : It's like the intuition versus rationalism thing. 16:57:38 From GILL LAKER : Yes please :-) 16:57:44 From annie k : YES, PLEASE, MARK!!! 16:57:45 From Ollie Smith : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dread-Difference-Gender-Horror-Studies/dp/0292772459 16:57:49 From Nat : i think bc of the link to "female intuition" / mother nature etc - so an idea that women will be more attuned when something is Off 16:58:01 From Ollie Smith : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Men-Women-Chain-Saws-Princeton/dp/0691166293/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/259-7614798-3772953?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0691166293&pd_rd_r=b85369b1-c7e7-41b2-9ed8-9a5c46c9ff20&pd_rd_w=ito6X&pd_rd_wg=WoQxb&pf_rd_p=dcf35746-0212-418b-a148-30395d107b2d&pf_rd_r=0EXSVHVKSFWT3JA8NMWR&psc=1&refRID=0EXSVHVKSFWT3JA8NMWR 16:58:02 From Madeleine D'Este : Nat - I saw a request for submissions on twitter "What No Man May See Nor Woman Tell": Essays on Women in Folk Horror https://twitter.com/themediawitch/status/1307302930379354116 16:58:11 From Mike Hobbs : That sounds like an amazing conference theme. :-) 16:58:17 From Kit Whitfield : With folk, I think it’s because women are more physical, at least when it comes to the horrors of pregnancy, birth and the changes of age. 16:58:33 From Joule : @Catherine @Nat There's also a sense that wronged women come back as supernatural, which you see in all sorts of horror 16:58:53 From Nat : @Madeline that looks great - she says she's currently editing an anthology "What No Man May See Nor Woman Tell": Essays on Women in Folk Horror 16:59:21 From Catherine Kneale : @Joule Oh yes, they become active after death in a way they can't be before 16:59:34 From Ellis : "Play for Today" Robin Redbreast (1970): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0498409/ 17:00:00 From Joule : @Catherine great point 17:00:10 From Catherine Kneale : Ta! 17:00:31 From Julie Buyer : I would guess there's also a thread of 'The Danger of Powerful Women' involved as well 17:01:22 From Nat : and the idea of women as the Other - plus pregnancy as the ultimate body horror, of course! 17:01:26 From Kit Whitfield : And the sense of women being treated like land: resources that need rituals to be kept fertile. 17:01:43 From howard david ingham : That's a fantastic take. 17:01:50 From Catherine Kneale : @Kit that's brilliant 17:01:54 From Nat : @Kit great point, extremely seen in wicker man. women are the apples too 17:01:55 From Kit Whitfield : Aw, thanks. 17:02:11 From Julie Buyer : There's definitely some of the Christian bigotry toward any religion not Christianity in this one, too. 17:02:25 From Julie Buyer : A sort of 'this is the bad religion Christianity replaced' sort of thing 17:02:40 From Kit Whitfield : It works with Baby, for instance: Peter hasn’t the patience to understand the land, nor the pregnancy of his wife. So both are unprotected, unguarded. 17:02:43 From howard david ingham : there's a sense that the movies reflect the real world occult scene of the day in that there are loads of women and the men on top calling the shots 17:03:20 From Kit Whitfield : Indeed. 17:03:21 From howard david ingham : Stigma is hecking TERRIFYING 17:03:36 From Julie Buyer : oh yeah. 100% 17:03:58 From GILL LAKER : I think of traditional Gothic as a quest to overcome the threat of death, a masculine desire to ensure their power endures, and Folk horror as subverting the gift of birth. So leaning more to the fears of women. 17:04:08 From Garry Bliss : Folk Horror Bingo Card ! Luv it. 17:04:09 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Stone Tapes: The Madwoman in the Walls... 17:04:19 From annie k : folk horror bingo card HA!!! 17:04:22 From howard david ingham : Folk Horror Bingo is a thing. 17:04:33 From howard david ingham : If you've ever seen Apostle, you know 17:04:44 From Ellis : Stigma (1977): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217821/ 17:04:44 From Julie Buyer : Except that I would imagine women would be afraid of violence by men, rather than other women 17:05:11 From Kit Whitfield : Not when you’re pregnant or responsible for a small child. Then you depend on midwives and older women, who know things you don’t. 17:05:21 From Kit Whitfield : And hence, are potential witches. 17:05:49 From Julie Buyer : That's fair 17:06:04 From howard david ingham : Among the splinter polygamist groups in Utah, it is noted that the enforcers of the systemic marital abuse are the senior wives. 17:06:27 From Max : Body horror + folk horror is a combo I could really get into. 17:06:40 From howard david ingham : I've been doing some work on that intersection 17:06:41 From Maria Connor : Katherine was the closest equivalent to the vengeful murdered spirit - an adult woman? 17:06:44 From Nat : @howard big Aunt Lydia energy 17:06:54 From Justin Mullis : Stigma sounds like a J-Horror film. Onryō attack at random anyone who disturbes them. 17:07:03 From Giving Ground : read “The Body Politic” by Clive Barker. urban body horror 17:07:37 From Méabh de Brún : re: women being scared of or targeted by other women, the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland were run by nuns! 17:07:52 From howard david ingham : Excellent example 17:08:05 From Joule : just look at the latest US supreme court nominee X( 17:08:10 From howard david ingham : One of the most harrowing movies I've ver seen in The Magdalene Sisters 17:08:15 From Giving Ground : FGM too unfortunately :-( 17:09:52 From Catherine Kneale : How to gain power in a patriarchal system. 17:10:05 From Nat : The Daemons https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6th5hh 17:10:14 From Helena Nash : Who's "Stones of Blood" is a good folk horror too. 17:10:24 From Maria Connor : The Great Wizard QuiQuaeQuod XD 17:11:01 From Giving Ground : Stones of Blood is great, bonkers but excellent 17:11:27 From Kit Whitfield : Am I the only one who couldn’t see Children of the Stones as folk horror? It felt so sci fi, it just had a different aesthetic to me... 17:11:32 From Justin Mullis : I'm an American and I've never heard of this show so please continue 17:11:37 From Alex Stevens : i'm that one person that's never seen things... 17:11:48 From Franchesca Todd : The Boy From Space was terrifying and definitely more sci fi. I don't know what they were thinking showing that to children. 17:12:01 From Nat : Children of the Stones https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075491/ 17:12:49 From holly Elsdon : Happy Day! 17:12:58 From Helena Nash : "Being trapped in a remote settlement" is a popular folk horror theme, I think. 17:13:52 From Madeleine D'Este : Folk Horror Revival Youtube channel has a lot of these shows available 17:14:20 From Alex Stevens : brilliant, thank you 17:14:40 From Garry Bliss : TY Madeleine! 17:15:03 From KK Rose : ty Madeleine 17:16:23 From Justin Mullis : What was this owl show? 17:16:34 From Ian Moore : The Owl Service. 17:16:35 From Nat : It's more modern, but Jenny Nimmo's Snow Spider trilogy definitely fits under the repeating-myth folk horror bucket 17:16:38 From Catherine Kneale : The Owl Service, Alan Garner 17:16:46 From Justin Mullis : Thank you 17:17:23 From Nat : with additional shades of Susan Cooper's Dark is Rising 17:17:44 From Catherine Kneale : Loved those books! 17:21:40 From Garry Bliss : Tittle of this one? 17:21:50 From Nat : The Keeper - part of Dramarama series 17:21:51 From Kit Whitfield : The Keeper, Dramarama. 17:21:51 From Nat : http://wyrdbritain.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-keeper-1983.html 17:22:11 From Justin Mullis : What was the Arthur one again? 17:22:22 From Kit Whitfield : Raven. 17:22:27 From Justin Mullis : Thanks 17:22:30 From Ellis : Raven: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_(1977_TV_series) 17:22:57 From Ollie Smith : Would really recommend essay 'The Weird and the Eerie' by Mark Fisher - takes in many of the writers explored here 17:23:34 From Nat : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYdTLi2eg88 17:23:42 From Nat : ^ Dramarama Spooky 17:23:51 From Ellis : Shadows: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398561/ 17:24:27 From Mike Hobbs : Anything by Mark Fisher in invaluable - I'd recommend The Weird and the Eerie to everyone. 17:26:24 From Giving Ground : recommend Mr Stabs from Dramarama as well, essentially a war between demons, starring David Jason! 17:26:29 From Mike Hobbs : Edward Parnell's Ghostland isn't quite as good, but gets into great detail about the specificities of the British landscape, and its links to horror and folk stories, including plenty of those mentioned here. 17:26:42 From Helena Nash : I was going to recommend Mr Stabs too. 17:27:18 From Giving Ground : I remember watching it as a kid, it was a wild ride 17:28:38 From Sandra Ireland : I've just bought Ghostland but haven't read it yet! 17:28:56 From Kai D : Sounds a bit The Labyrinth 17:29:17 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : There's an interview with Edward Parnell about Ghostland in the current series of The Folklore Podcast 17:29:34 From Garry Bliss : Great interview, that. 17:30:09 From Sandra Ireland : Really! Brilliant. I've only just 'found' you so I'll have to investigate! 17:30:35 From Justin Mullis : That's weird. There's a recent book called Ghostland by Colin Dickey about haunted American landscape 17:31:03 From Julie Buyer : There are threads in one of Tana French's novels that sound similar to this 17:31:06 From KK Rose : I thought for a moment they were talking about Dickey's book. It's on my shelf, but I'll need to find this other one. 17:31:17 From Sandra Ireland : Yes- it's supposed to be good too 17:31:46 From Mike Hobbs : Great news re: the Parnell interview - this is my first interaction with the Folklore Podcast, can't wait to do a deep dive into the backlog. 17:32:13 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : It'll take a while Mike 17:33:16 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : 5 seasons! 17:33:39 From annie k : ♥️ 17:33:58 From Catherine Kneale : Well we've got another six months indoors.. 17:34:03 From Nat : i moved to a rural village when i was 11 and the first time we went up to the butchers they had put a pigs head in the middle of the window and iced it for some reason 17:34:20 From Nat : like a cake 17:34:33 From Catherine Kneale : @Nat You are a 70s children's TV character! 17:34:45 From Sandra Ireland : That's weird! 17:35:08 From KK Rose : This thoroughly changes my notion that I grew up rural... it was considered rural, but compared to a frosted pig head... not so much. 17:35:35 From Sandra Ireland : I was terrified of the singing children in Quatermass- remember that? 17:35:41 From Brigid Burke : Oh, I know this episode of Shadows. The episode was written by Stuart Farrar, wasn’t it? He wrote multiple episodes of that. 17:35:47 From Kathy Carless : @Nat now visualising the inevitable swop with the butchers head. 17:37:19 From Jordan Wolfe : what's the name of this game? 17:37:21 From Helena Nash : Make a SAN roll! 17:37:26 From Nat : Call of Cthulu 17:37:27 From Helena Nash : "Call of Cthulhu" 17:37:28 From Ian Moore : CoC FTW 17:37:37 From Jordan Wolfe : thank you, sounds amazing 17:37:43 From angela pezel : I keep wondering what flavor the icing was, and if it was supposed to be edible. Also did your parents not think that was really weird? 17:38:05 From Nat : @angela no one other than me seemed to think it weird and now my sister claims she doesn't remember it 17:38:10 From Justin Mullis : Recommened... Timothy H. Evan's "A Last Defense against the Dark: Folklore, Horror, and the Uses of Tradition in the Works of H. P. Lovecraft" 17:39:20 From Mike Hobbs : Cheers Justin, that sounds awesome. 17:39:48 From Justin Mullis : Also a big fan of Julian Simpson's Lovecraft adaptations for BBC Radio 4. I'm writing a chapter on those for a forthcoming book on Lovecraft adaptations. 17:40:07 From angela pezel : @nat that’s weird too. maybe it was some sort of weird preservative or something that to you just looked like a frosted cake. 17:40:20 From Helena Nash : Justin - that is interesting. 17:40:25 From Garry Bliss : I live in Lovecraft’s home town. Pass his house pretty frequently. 17:40:38 From howard david ingham : My claim to fame is two citations in the Cthulhu Mythos Encyclopedia. I mean, it's not much but you take what you can. 17:40:42 From Helena Nash : Hello Providence! 17:40:50 From Nat : @garry is lovecraft's house like the one in House of Leaves 17:40:55 From Garry Bliss : : > 17:41:34 From Justin Mullis : @Howard - the one by Daniel Harms? 17:41:40 From Garry Bliss : It’s a very nice colonial..that is truly colonial. 17:41:51 From howard david ingham : yep, that's the one, Justin 17:41:56 From Nat : of course it's a colonial. 17:42:13 From howard david ingham : I wrote the only CoC adventure to feature Cyaegha. 17:42:18 From howard david ingham : the only published one 17:42:47 From Garry Bliss : https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/hp-lovecraft-house 17:43:00 From Helena Nash : Howard - my CoC adventure is still languishing in Chaosium limbo... 17:43:44 From howard david ingham : They have insane leadins. The UK supplement they did took ten years to come out after submission 17:43:46 From KK Rose : Brilliant! Thank you, Stephen, that was absolutely wonderful. 17:43:50 From Catherine Kneale : I thought timeslips were going to be a much bigger feature in my life 17:43:52 From Mary : Thank you Stephen! Loved it 17:43:53 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : That was great, thank you! 17:43:56 From Ellis : Fantastic! Thank you so much! 17:43:58 From Garry Bliss : That was FANTASTIC!!! 17:44:02 From Catherine Kneale : Thanks, Stephen! Brilliant! 17:44:03 From Madeleine D'Este : Fabulous! 17:44:04 From Alex : Thank you so much! :D 17:44:05 From Kit Whitfield : applause!! 17:44:08 From Nat : Thanks Stephen! Really great and loads of interesting recommendations to check out! 17:44:10 From Justin Mullis : Brilliant thank you! 17:44:12 From Oli Hembrough : That was BRILLIANT! thank you so much Stephen. 17:44:13 From Kathy Carless : Totally brill 17:44:14 From Franchesca Todd : Applause. Thank you! 17:44:16 From Lara-Rose Iredale : That was enthralling, thank you. MUCH APPLAUSE 17:44:16 From Deborah : Brilliant - thank you so much 17:44:16 From ciangill : Thanks Stephen :) 17:44:17 From Ben Rive : Amazing - thanks Stephen! 17:44:17 From Amy Peters : Thank you Stephen! 17:44:18 From Eloise BirnamWood : I loved that - it was very like being in the pub with an extremely knowledgeable mate! 17:44:21 From Sandra Ireland : Brilliant Stephen- so interesting and lots to follow up. Thank you! 17:44:22 From Ollie Smith : Wonderful Stephen - thank you 17:44:24 From Clare Marsh : Excellent - thank you! 17:44:24 From holly Elsdon : Thank you so much! 17:44:26 From Max : Thank you so much, Stephen! 17:44:28 From Alex Stevens : brilliant! thank you 17:44:42 From annie k : thanks so much!!! 17:44:50 From Laura Page : That was great Stephen! I’ve got a huge list of spooky progs to watch now, thanks everyone for the links :) 17:44:54 From Louise O'Mahony : Brilliant stuff, thank you 17:44:55 From Paulo : Brilliant thank you! 17:44:57 From ANNE MUIR : superb, thanks! 17:45:00 From frocker : Thanks! That was excellent, Shadows sound like to Winter watching! 17:45:03 From shaun clark : great Stephen, really informative 17:45:07 From Nat : hahaha he's off 17:45:08 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : We've got a copy! It's very good 17:45:16 From Maria Connor : oh dear, where to put your face... 17:45:17 From Kit Whitfield : It’s a very good book! 17:45:24 From Catherine Kneale : Just bought Shadows on ebay! 17:45:33 From Nat : added book to shopping list 17:45:33 From rkent : Oh! That was sufficiently Creepy! 17:45:45 From Helena Nash : Thanks Ste! 17:45:48 From WYRD WAR : Thank you, Steven! 17:46:02 From Méabh de Brún : Great talk thank you! 17:46:04 From WYRD WAR : Stephen 17:46:05 From Mike Hobbs : Well done Stephen! There's a few relatives who're getting Scarred for Life this Christmas! 17:46:23 From Garry Platt : Why was the 70's such a rich period for this genre? 17:46:26 From holly Elsdon : Bought Shadows recently to watch with my 8 year old- its going straight to the top of the watch list! 17:46:43 From Madeleine D'Este : Q: why do you think the 70s were such a strong period for folk-horror? 17:46:56 From Garry Platt : Question: Why was the 70's such a rich period for this genre? 17:47:12 From Madeleine D'Este : @garry - snap! 17:47:49 From Garry Bliss : Question: What is the basic appeal - particularly to children - of being scared? 17:50:04 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Question: How do you see folk horror evolving as the internet democratises and demythologises mass audience media? 17:50:13 From Sandra Ireland : I do love the term 'folk horror bingo'! But why do we constantly yearn to read/view the same tropes in each narrative? I find myself constantly looking for books which tick all of these boxes! 17:50:15 From Ellis : The Changes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Changes_(TV_series) 17:50:32 From Ellis : Break in the Sun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_in_the_Sun 17:50:52 From Nat : Q: is there a link between the idea that "we don't go back" and the tendency of many folk horrors to involve time slips or inautonomous 'playing out' of past events? 17:51:02 From Ellis : The Moon Stallion: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134256/ 17:51:08 From Garry Platt : Your talk really exposes how weak and hopeless current children's TV programming is. 17:51:53 From Ellis : The Changes based on children's novels by Peter Dickinson - brilliant stuff. 17:51:54 From Kit Whitfield : Act, there’s a lot of good stuff for kids nowadays. It’s different, but it has its own strengths. 17:51:57 From Catherine Kneale : Arrgh, Noseybonk! 17:52:05 From holly Elsdon : Sky- best 'being attacked by plants at Glastonbury@ 17:52:23 From Julie Buyer : There might be something to the idea that finding things that could defeat modernity was a big thing during the Cold War nuclear race 17:52:29 From Ellis : This talk is showing me how much brilliant interchange there was between kid's TV and fiction - Susan Cooper, Alan Garner... 17:52:29 From Maria Connor : different fears and anxieties for kids now 17:53:05 From Kit Whitfield : Ooh, I have a theory. We don’t go back, but in times of social unrest, we want to go *home*. And the folklore and natural scenery of our countries may be the closest we can get. 17:54:04 From Maria Connor : maybe the grasp of history thing is that after the wars people wanted to think that they could never go back to what had happened, and that was matched with a fear that the whole world could be draggee back to the horrors that had passed 17:54:45 From Greg Reynard : “Don’t go for a relaxing holiday in a remote English village” feels a lot like “Don’t go for a relaxing weekend in at a British manor house” when I watch Poirot or Miss Marple. 17:54:57 From Catherine Kneale : The 60s had a big returning to the pastoral theme but there was the hippies gone bad thing afterwards. I guess Manson stuff? 17:55:12 From Julie Buyer : The conspiracy theory thing aligns with the recent rise of right wing rhetoric, I think. Go deep into essentially any conspiracy theory and you'll find the antisemitism at the center 17:55:12 From Maria Connor : Or go to live anywhere with 'Midsomer' in the name 17:55:34 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Julie - agree - I think there's a clear link between the ultimate finality of nuclear war and the analogous horror of an unknowable, incomprehensible, unbeatable other - probably something to do with it being made tangible through its textual relationship to a narrative 17:55:36 From annie k : horror can helps children process trauma 17:55:50 From Nat : Q: if we're in a time of more credulity and conspiracy theorists, how come there isn't a bunch of interesting media coming out in that area? where is our 5G-inspired folk horror XD 17:56:14 From Laura Page : I was the opposite as a child, not entirely convinced that these things weren’t true...but I did love the thrill of being utterly terrified! 17:56:24 From Maria Connor : like the old quote - fairytales don't tell kids dragons, exit, kids know dragons exist, fairytales teach them dragons can be killed 17:56:37 From Kit Whitfield : Nat - I reckon it’s too early. Right now, we’re at the beginning of the witch hunt; people are believing the blood libels. We need more distance to make it into fiction. 17:56:57 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : oooooh good ooint 17:56:58 From Nat : @KIt i suspect so too - it would end up v unpleasant if you tried to do it at the moment 17:57:00 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : ^point 17:57:08 From Elizabeth : Q: Did you come across anything in your research that on the surface looked like folk horror but then there was some theme or plot point that exiled it from the genre? If so, what was it? 17:57:22 From Madeleine D'Este : So true Sandra 17:57:26 From Maria Connor : Shout out to the Magnus Archives as a modern normal-meets-uncanny horror series 17:57:49 From Kai D : Is Black Mirror trying to tie in technology to folk horror, by replacing the rural location with the online location? 17:58:06 From Garry Platt : There was a big focus on ambiguous endings. Was it lazy writing or was there a purpose? 17:58:08 From Kai D : (or at that point is it just no longer folk horror?) 17:58:28 From Maria Connor : I grew up in a smallish town, I can get the horror in totally everyone knows you all the damn time 17:58:34 From Garry Platt : Question: There was a big focus on ambiguous endings. Was it lazy writing or was there a purpose? 17:58:38 From Catherine Kneale : I claim Luther is urban folk horror about the liminality within cities 17:59:06 From Greg Reynard : Have you seen any of the “Paranormal” series? That very much brought the “THIS COULD BE HAPPENING NOW” feeling to me. The premise is it’s entirely footage cobbled together from security footage in a home. When I watched the first one, I swear my gf and I kept hearing noises corresponding nearly identically with what was going on on the screen. To the point where I went outside to see what was going on. Turns out the landlord had hired a builder to work on the roof without telling me. 17:59:22 From Nat : @Kai i think that's interesting and perhaps the digitally-oriented horrors are fulfilling a similar niche psychologically 18:00:14 From Kit Whitfield : Do you know anything about the poor kid who died after Ghostwatch? All I could find was a news article, which was really sad... 18:00:15 From Theresa Dewa : Greg- @Host@ very much brings that idea right up to date with a lockdown séance gone wrong over Zoom 18:00:30 From Ollie Smith : Question: J-Horror and K-Horror seem to have approached the relationship between folklore and technology since the turn of the millennium - do you think these East Asian cultures are ahead of the west in exploring the 'we don't go back' idea? 18:00:35 From Theresa Dewa : "Host" rather than @ … US keyboard layout! 18:00:44 From Maria Connor : ooh, internet creepypasta! 18:00:55 From Greg Reynard : @Theresa - Yes! Fully agree! 18:01:28 From Nat : ^ yes - Host, Unfriended, even Paranormal Activity - and all the found-footage vibes 18:01:56 From Nat : MAKE FOLK HORROR GREAT AGAIN 18:01:59 From Garry Platt : Hey man - We've got blue passports now! 18:02:00 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : The definition of hauntology... 18:02:02 From Laura Page : Ooo we’re getting into Hauntological theory here, LOVE IT 18:02:08 From Mary : That’s the Umberto Eco definition of fascism- that nostalgia for greatness that never was 18:02:52 From Kit Whitfield : Fascism is often taking literally what most people have the sense to recognise is fun but fictional stories. 18:02:53 From rkent : Make America great again is Trump's dog whistle for "make America white again." 18:02:59 From Maria Connor : whauh? 18:03:06 From Maria Connor : Really? 18:03:07 From Catherine Kneale : Wow, I did not know that! 18:03:19 From Maria Connor : Nerds 18:03:47 From Garry Bliss : Q: Is Twilight Zone a series of urban folk horror? 18:04:04 From KK Rose : I always felt the sexual revolution/free love era was part of why folk horror and occult horror was prominent in the 70s, all that nature was ~scary to so many. 18:04:15 From Julie Buyer : It's interesting that the Folk that are horrific in folk horror are non or pre Christian folk, specifically 18:04:24 From rkent : Yea, isn't that THE question, "Who are the folk?" 18:04:57 From Elinor : my 11yo listening with me says The Hollow on Netflix is a modern kids folk horror style albeit in animated form 18:05:15 From Joule : Isn't there some element of nostalgia for the forces of sinister nature/folk in folk horror, though? A la Robert Aickman, there's a yearning for pre-technological times even if turning away from the modern ultimately means death 18:05:16 From Nat : @rkent Great point. Does it come back to the uncanny / the (un)heimlich - the Folk are Us, and the Folk are also Them? 18:05:21 From KK Rose : Of course the free love era also might have been an offshoot of the new popularity of nature in that time, for me, growing up in the 70s, it's a chicken/egg thing. 18:05:27 From Kai D : The Hollow is genuinely unnerving at times 18:05:28 From Madeleine D'Este : There are some awfully clever people here :) 18:05:30 From Kit Whitfield : Q: I’ve always thought the Western was the American equivalent of folk horror. Using the scenery that was already around and cheap to film as a location; using founding myths of the nation. They look very different because the founding myths are very different, but they are both low-budget mythology. ‘High Noon’ is even the Everyman mystery play in structure… 18:06:23 From Garry Platt : Question: A lot of the stories you explored had ambiguous endings. Why? What was the benefit of that? What purpose did it play? 18:06:31 From Madeleine D'Este : Whereas Australian folk-horror is more about the land 18:06:44 From Laura Page : Ring draws heavily from Japanese folklore, especially the collected works of Lafcardio Hearn…..they are fantastic 18:07:12 From Laura Page : Lafcadio! 18:07:16 From Maria Connor : might not been as weird as you'd think - there are a lot of placesi n wales with a highg proportion of Italian families 18:07:43 From Theresa Dewa : If we're talking anthologies, the 70s show "Night Gallery" - my partner has just marathoned the box set :D 18:07:59 From Jon Dear : Explanation robs fear of its power. 18:08:04 From Sandra Ireland : 18th c Gothic was a yearning for some kind of Medieval Golden Age that never was...my contribution to the cleverness!! 18:08:06 From Theresa Dewa : (69-72 I think) 18:08:17 From Nat : Question (echoing rkent): Who are The Folk? 18:08:26 From Maria Connor : There's the unease of ' is it really over?' 18:08:27 From KK Rose : Ambiguity allows people to come up with their own horrors to add, too. 18:08:32 From Lucya & John : The modern Father Brown TV series has folk horror aspects. A village in England where everybody mysteriously is a Roman Catholic. 18:08:40 From Sandra Ireland : Great question! 18:08:41 From KK Rose : Allowing the imagination to run away with itself... 18:09:01 From Garry Platt : Question: Have you explored the folk horror of Japan? I'm finding more and more parallels between the two cultures. 18:09:04 From Mike Nolan : "Borderlands" is a great modern (British) folk horror. 18:09:06 From Justin Mullis : From what I've read about the history of Japanese folklore it emerges as part of the struggle at the end of the 19th-Century about if Japan was to modernize like the west or remain traditional. I don't know if you see something similar in the UK or elsewhere. But it does seem that the Japanese hit upon the idea of We Don't Go Back very early on. 18:09:14 From Kit Whitfield : And ‘villain’ comes from ‘villein’ - you know, the villager... 18:09:20 From Sandra Ireland : Never knew that! 18:09:26 From Catherine Kneale : Well they do ice pigs.. 18:09:32 From Kit Whitfield : lol 18:09:38 From Joule : lol 18:09:48 From Justin Mullis : And you both like tea a lot 18:10:02 From Nat : And guest, host, and ghost share an etymological root 18:10:03 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : And we're back to questions of identity again 18:10:06 From Helena Nash : Whereas PAGAN comes from People Against Goodness And Nicety. 18:10:08 From Helena Nash : ;) 18:10:17 From Catherine Kneale : lol 18:10:19 From KK Rose : lol 18:10:21 From Theresa Dewa : Ice pigs? 18:10:22 From Mary : The Japanese game Fatal Frame 2 I think fits the folk horror criteria if anyone’s played that 18:10:38 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : It's that point in the day where everyone's had a glass of wine, huh :P 18:10:39 From Joule : Someone mentioned the correspondence between the Onryu and the lashing-out-at-random British ghost...which has to go back at least to MR James 18:10:48 From Helena Nash : I'm gasping for a cuppa. 18:10:58 From Madeleine D'Este : Or coffee cos it’s 3am here 18:10:59 From Mike Hobbs : Thank you everyone! Great talk, great chat. 18:11:01 From Kit Whitfield : Bye! 18:11:16 From Joule : it's 10 am here. I had to wake up at 8 on a Saturday :-((( that's how much I needed a folk horror talk :-) 18:11:28 From Alex Stevens : The talk, and the questions after - brilliant! 18:11:30 From Julie Buyer : 1:11 pm here. I just ate my lunch during the talk. 18:11:32 From Joule : ok @Madeleine you have me beat 18:11:40 From Justin Mullis : @Mary see the essay "A Deadly Discipline Folklore, Folklorists, and the Occult in Fatal Frame" by Tolbert 18:11:43 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Joule it's five o clock somewhere... 18:11:47 From Kai D : *BIG APPLAUSE* 18:11:48 From Ollie Smith : Fabulous - thanks so much, Stephen. Great chat folk folks x 18:11:48 From Ben Rive : Awesome! Thank you :) 18:11:50 From Kit Whitfield : Hurrah!!!! 18:11:50 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Thank you! *applause* 18:11:51 From Mary : @Justin awesome thank you! 18:11:52 From Cheryl : Applause! 18:11:53 From Julie Buyer : Thanks! 18:11:53 From Ellis : YAAAAAAAY 18:11:55 From Lyn : Amazing, thank you!!! 18:11:55 From Garry Bliss : CLAP CLAP 18:11:55 From Alice : Really interesting talk and discussion, thanks so much! 18:11:55 From Joule : thank you!!! So many great new things to watch! 18:11:57 From Kathy Carless : huzzahh 18:11:58 From Nat : CLAP CLAP CLAP 18:11:58 From Oli Hembrough : Brilliant 18:12:00 From Mike Nolan : loved that. 18:12:00 From Frances : big thanks 18:12:00 From Deborah : Brilliant thank you!!! 18:12:00 From WYRD WAR : Where can we all get this Folklore game? 18:12:02 From Alex : Thank you so much!! 18:12:02 From Catherine Kneale : clap clap clap!! 18:12:02 From Claire Slack : *applause* 18:12:02 From Any Questions? : Thank you - got a lot on the watchlist! 18:12:03 From Ellis : CLAPPING LOTS 18:12:03 From Steven Key : Wonderful talk. Thanks so much 18:12:05 From WYRD WAR : Thanks!!! 18:12:05 From holly Elsdon : claps profusely! 18:12:06 From Ruby : claaaaaap 18:12:08 From Sandra Ireland : Thank you!! 18:12:14 From David Allkins : Well done 18:12:15 From Garry Bliss : Start a podcast man! 18:12:17 From Laura Page : Thank you, thank was BRILLIANT. Off to scare myself stupid now :) 18:12:21 From angela pezel : thank you! 18:12:41 From Nat : I have the last 15 minutes of Robin Redbreast to watch before John's talk ;) back in a bit 18:12:45 From Kit Whitfield : Can I ask everyone a bit of advice just before I go put my son to bed? 18:12:56 From Julie Buyer : sure 18:13:00 From Kit Whitfield : Cheers .I’m not supposed to talk about it much at the moment, but I've got some work coming out that I'll need to promote online, and for personal reasons, I'm way behind the times on how to do that. I do essays and bits and such. What's your preferred format? I don't have the tech skills of YouTube, so... Blogs? Podcasts? Something I'm too rusty to have heard of? All suggestions welcome! 18:13:12 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Twitter is a great place to start 18:14:01 From Alex Stevens : second for Twitter. great communities on there 18:14:26 From Stephen Brotherstone : Ta very much, everyone, I'm glad you enjoyed that. So much more I wanted to cover if I only had the time... :) 18:14:27 From Kit Whitfield : I tend to talk at greater length than Twitter really suits! I’ve got an account started, but I think I’d like to use it to supplement another format. 18:14:37 From Kit Whitfield : It was great listening to you Stephen! 18:14:45 From holly Elsdon : Definitely Twitter 18:15:10 From Alex Stevens : Hugely enjoyable and informative, Stephen! thanks 18:15:19 From Laura Page : What’s your Twitter handle @kitwhitfield? I’m sure you’ve got a pretty decent audience here for starters! 18:15:21 From Stephen Brotherstone : Thanks Kit! A genuine honour to be involved! 18:15:35 From Kit Whitfield : I’ll check! 18:15:53 From Kit Whitfield : Yeah, it seems to be @KitWhitfield 18:16:09 From Greg Reynard : @Kit - I think it depends on the age of the audience you’re going for. Make a facebook page for older folks, Instagram, Twitter for a mix. If you’re an expert on something try to be a guest on podcasts geared toward your topic of interest. I found my way here via Bone and Sickle podcast, which led me to The Folklore Podcast, which then let me to Loremen and others. 18:16:34 From Stephen Brotherstone : Yeah, get on Twitter, Kit! Great, friendly community there. 18:16:36 From howard david ingham : Just so everyone knows, I'm keeping an eye on the waiting room and lightly moderating 18:16:40 From Kit Whitfield : Thanks, that’s helpful. What if I want to put out essays, what’s the way to do that? 18:16:44 From Kit Whitfield : Cheers Howard, good to know. x 18:17:08 From Stephen Brotherstone : Cheers Howard, lovely to finally meet you. 18:17:18 From howard david ingham : same. 18:17:28 From Greg Reynard : @Kit Perhaps start your own blog? People used to to Livejournal, but I don’t think that’s as popular anymore. 18:17:35 From Stephen Brotherstone : And everyone, buy Howard's book, it's bloody brilliant! 18:17:45 From Kit Whitfield : It really is a good book! 18:17:46 From holly Elsdon : Followed you Kit- Centre for Folklore, Myth Magic- happy to help reshare 18:17:50 From Kit Whitfield : Thank you! 18:17:53 From Kit Whitfield : Also, on Twitter, how do you avoid spending all day arguing with bigots/getting cancelled for saying something stupid? 18:18:13 From Kit Whitfield : (Because I’m sure I’ll say something stupid at some point.) 18:18:27 From Greg Reynard : I plan to buy both Stephen and Howard’s books! Will try to find a local bookseller who carries them in Western NY, but failing that… Amazon. 18:18:34 From angela pezel : I have to go and listen to the back catalogue of the podcast. I just learned about it. something to look forward to. 18:18:37 From holly Elsdon : Personally I don't engage and ignore them- block if really unacceptable 18:18:49 From Julie Buyer : Don't engage with trolls is rule 1 18:19:14 From Ben Rive : You just have to try to ignore them Kit - the only downside of Twitter is that there are lots of idiots with loud voices… But, it’s also full of amazing people like the ones you’re here with today :) 18:19:19 From angela pezel : What was the name of Howard’s book??? 18:19:20 From Kit Whitfield : Cool. I have an ancient blog which has been on hiatus for years, but is that a format people don’t read any more? 18:19:29 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : On twitter - be liberal and robust with the banhammer 18:19:30 From Kit Whitfield : Howard’s book is We Don’t Go Back. 18:19:35 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : You owe no-one nothing 18:19:44 From Julie Buyer : it helps to learn the dogwhistles to avoid and block anyone who uses them on sight 18:19:48 From angela pezel : tha. m 18:19:57 From angela pezel : thank you. 18:20:12 From KK Rose : You can curate a great feed on Twitter and keep it just what you want... there are good tools for blocking, ignoring retweets, muting, etc. 18:20:20 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Anyone with an England flag in their name and the football team they support in their bio is automatically suspect (I'm being slightly facetious but there's truth in it) 18:20:40 From Ben Rive : And Twitter handles with strings of numbers in them! 18:20:48 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Yes Ben! THey are often bots. 18:20:57 From howard david ingham : Block without any thought or compunction. 18:21:04 From howard david ingham : "Bye, Sergei." 18:21:16 From KK Rose : This talk taught me I really missed out on some great kids tv in the 70s. I was watching creepy movies but they weren't made for kids. I can't think of anything shows for kids in the 70s in the US that compares to what I heard about today. 18:22:29 From Brigid Burke : I’ve seen most of the shows mentioned—many are on YouTube. Now I’m psyched to go back and watch some of them again. 18:26:03 From Greg Reynard : @Brigid - Definitely surprising how much folk horror is free on Youtube! I think there’s even a curated folk horror list. 18:26:06 From Kit Whitfield : Ok thanks guys; I’ve tried sending a tweet, will see how that goes! Might try blogging or podcasting as well - which of those are better nowadays? 18:26:29 From Brigid Burke : @Greg—I didn’t realize that—I will have to look for it, thanks! 18:26:58 From Julie Buyer : Depends on your skills. To podcast, you have to be a good/engaging speaker. And have equipment. 18:27:12 From Greg Reynard : If you search for “Folk Horror Revival” that’s the list I’m talking about. 18:27:44 From Stephen Brotherstone : @KK Rose - check out YouTube for certain episodes I talked about. It's a big British telly rabbit hole! 18:27:56 From Brigid Burke : Ah yes I see the Folk Horror Revival lists—thanks again! 18:28:13 From Kit Whitfield : @Julie - I’m not bad. I’m a professional writer, I’ve given speeches, done panel stuff, that kind of thing. Is it a more popular format than blogs these days? 18:28:29 From Greg Reynard : @Brigid - My pleasure! First on their “Cult TV” list is “Children of the Stones”, so they can’t be all bad. :D 18:29:08 From Julie Buyer : I'm not sure. I like podcasts, but I'm listening to far fewer now that I don't commute anymore. It depends a lot on who your target audience is, too. 18:29:22 From Giving Ground : anchor.fm is an easy way to upload your podcast and get it distributed. without getting into things like hosting or RSS feeds 18:29:24 From howard david ingham : The FHR lists are absolutely comprehensive. The most comprehensive. More than my own, certainly. 18:29:24 From Kit Whitfield : Fiction readers, basically. 18:29:30 From howard david ingham : Welcome back, Mark 18:30:08 From Brigid Burke : @Greg—I saw that! I absolutely love Children of the Stones. 18:30:24 From Julie Buyer : I would try to get on existing book podcasts as an interviewee/guest 18:31:21 From Giving Ground : you can also use Discord to record podcasts with multiple guests 18:31:22 From Kit Whitfield : How do you do that? Is the etiquette you just contact them and offer? Don’t want to be a weirdo about it. :-) 18:31:33 From Brigid Burke : You can start podcasting somewhat cheaply by getting an H1N Zoom recorder (which has EXCELLENT audio) and free Audacity software. 18:31:39 From Giving Ground : podcasts are desperate for content 18:32:14 From Kit Whitfield : Thanks for all the help! 18:33:19 From Greg Reynard : Good luck, Kit! 18:33:26 From Brigid Burke : @Kit—good luck! If you podcast, it does take some practice to get things just right, but you do improve with time. 18:33:32 From Kit Whitfield : Thanks. x 18:36:05 From angela pezel : Turns out that Howard’s book was on my list to be read already. I moved it to the top. 18:36:41 From angela pezel : Anyone else have so many things to watch/read that they lose track? 18:37:21 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : I'm starting an MA with the OU very shortly so I keep seeing books I'd like to read and games I want to play and sadly putting them to the bottom of the pile 18:37:25 From Greg Reynard : @Angela - Very much so. Then, often I can’t remember if I’ve already seen something until 10 minutes in. 18:37:56 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : "No, weird indie game about death, I have to read some greek tragedy" 18:38:02 From Kai D : I just told my boyfriend that the washing up piled in the kitchen from the last few days is a good example of 'a haunting by means of the past reaching into the future, in order to generate upset and fear'. 18:38:07 From howard david ingham : my "to watch" pile is neverending 18:38:20 From howard david ingham : @Kai ahahahahahaha 18:38:34 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : That's an incredible excuse 18:38:38 From angela pezel : @Greg - glad to know I’m not alone. 18:38:45 From Laura Page : @kai that is inspired ha ha!! 18:38:48 From Giving Ground : I’m haunted by the spectre of unread books 18:39:23 From angela pezel : @kai me too. Maybe I could claim that about unfinished paperwork????🤨 18:39:28 From Kit Whitfield : Watch out, those domestic exorcists they call in are no joke…. 18:40:02 From Kai D : Giving Ground I still need to read 'The Mysteries of Udolpho' for my MA. It's like, I want to _have read_ it? But it's very very long. 18:40:15 From Kai D : Angela absolutely 18:40:24 From Kit Whitfield : Audiobook while exercising/cleaning? 18:40:31 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Lockdown mugs sprouting like autumn mushrooms round the house; could go one further and claim that undone chores are the manifestation of unquiet nature spirits? 18:40:50 From Giving Ground : I read Vathek once... and wished I hadn’t 18:41:23 From Kai D : (Kit that is a good idea!) 18:41:31 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : I still haven't read Udolpho, I laughed my way through Northanger Abbey and figured it was probably the next best thing 18:41:38 From KK Rose : Thank you @stephen, I just sub'd to the YT folk horror channel. I have fond memories of the few scary-for-kids things I watched as a kid, there was just not nearly what Brits seem to have had. 18:41:41 From Kit Whitfield : (Standing over the piles of unsorted laundry): WE DON’T PUT IT BACK!!! 18:41:51 From howard david ingham : lol 18:41:52 From Kai D : lmao 18:41:52 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : hahahaha yes 18:41:54 From Giving Ground : castle of Otranto is at least readable 18:42:06 From Kai D : I'm near the end of The Monk 18:42:27 From Ellis : The Monk's a corker 18:42:28 From Kit Whitfield : Ooh, that’s the racy one, right? 18:42:48 From Kai D : And like, I _know_ that it occurred before Disney. But there's a scene where a bird lands on the heroine's naked boob, and it just felt like 'I've downloaded the wrong version of Snow White' 18:43:00 From Kai D : Kit yeah it's really lewd 18:43:01 From Ellis : :) 18:43:02 From Giving Ground : carmilla was considered erotic for the time 18:43:25 From howard david ingham : Carmilla is pretty erotic 18:43:33 From howard david ingham : people didn't notice cos it was women 18:43:40 From howard david ingham : "no, they're really good pals" 18:43:45 From Ellis : Speaking of Vathek, and rural Gothic, I wish WIlliam Beckford's house had survived. It looked like three cathedrals sellotaped together, and was about as sturdy, apparently. https://www.google.com/search?q=fonthill+abbey&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB857GB857&sxsrf=ALeKk00msMHCk3TyPrb4pvxQuZDWMfEiJA:1601142156062&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBqMmrr4fsAhXrQkEAHSxTCWAQ_AUoAnoECB0QBA&biw=1920&bih=937 18:43:50 From Lorri. H : could you argue Hellier has a folk horror element? 18:44:02 From Giving Ground : I wonder if there’s even more rude euphemisms we miss due to context and time. 18:44:10 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Ellis that's incredible 18:44:40 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Apropos of bonkers-looking architecture, I picked up a brick-like guide to the UK's follies last year and it's an absolute delight 18:44:57 From Ellis : That sounds brilliant. 18:45:02 From Giving Ground : a few things from Beckfords house turned up on Antiques Roadshow 18:45:47 From Kai D : Giving Ground - The bible story of Ruth and Naomi has a girl lying 'at his feet' to argue with him he should marry her. I found out years later that apparently 'feet' was sometimes used as a euphemism for penis? Not sure how true it is but I loved the idea. 18:45:50 From Kit Whitfield : The grounds of Fonthill Abbey are still there. Only open to the public a few times a year, though. Quite nice, full of tall pines. 18:46:35 From Giving Ground : another one is the farming term “to serve” as in “the bull served the cow” 18:46:47 From Justin Mullis : Is the next talk about John Griffith Bowen (5 November 1924 – 18 April 2019) the British playwright and novelist? 18:46:49 From Kit Whitfield : Giving Ground - anything that talks about ‘dying’, from a certain period, may be at least half talking about having an orgasm. 18:46:57 From Giving Ground : which gives a very different implication to “Are you Being Served” 18:47:39 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Grottoes as a vague manifestation of folk horror deliberately fashioned and enjoyed through the viewfinder of carefully-constructed and artificially landscaped rural idylls, that sort of thing. Et in Arcadio ego, and I've got an ogee arch you might like to see, sort of thing 18:47:57 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Painshill Park in Surrey is a treasure of follies 18:48:12 From Giving Ground : countryside as a place where rules don’t apply 18:48:46 From Giving Ground : there’s a folly near me that had to be fenced off due to regular shenanigans 18:48:58 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Yes, wild and woolly territory, just conveniently beyond the ha-ha 18:49:07 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Oh, which one was that? I love a good folly 18:49:30 From Giving Ground : ohh that reminds me of the long forgotten series about “Capability Brown” 18:49:39 From Justin Mullis : @Kai D - As a religious study scholar who has taught the Book of Ruth the "feet" in that story is absolutely code for penis 18:50:47 From Kit Whitfield : ‘Cover’ may have innuendo as well. ‘Femme couverte’ is an archaic term for a married woman, and you talk of having a stallion cover a mare. 18:50:54 From Kai D : Justin thank you for clarifying, that gives me great joy 18:51:11 From Kit Whitfield : Though my autocorrect wants it to be ‘femme covert’, which suggests less loss of property rights and more spying. 18:51:43 From Julie Buyer : It is true that feet can be a euphemism for penis in the Hebrew Bible. I can't speak to the Christian stuff, though. 18:51:52 From KK Rose : Oh what is a folly in this context? 18:52:05 From KK Rose : I can guess, but I'd rather ask. 18:52:13 From Kit Whitfield : A building, usually on a big estate, built to look amusing rather than be useful. 18:52:17 From howard david ingham : It's a building built because it looks cool. 18:52:22 From Giving Ground : I was disappointed to find out the theory about “Daddy wouldn’t buy me a Bow Wow” isn’t true 18:52:26 From howard david ingham : usually by someone wealthy 18:52:42 From KK Rose : Interesting, thank you. 18:52:44 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : A folly is...well, it's an artificially constructed thing, usually architectural, which features an element of "this is batsh*t, what on earth possessed the person who built this" 18:52:57 From Giving Ground : Yea! 18:53:01 From Ollie Smith : we can 18:53:10 From KK Rose : So the Winchester mansion here would be considered a folly. 18:53:47 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : KK Rose - in a way, yes, although that was also built as an actual habitable place, of course 18:53:50 From Mary Burgers : They’re usually more like little towers that you can’t really go into 18:54:01 From Mary Burgers : I don’t know if we have anything comparable in the states 18:54:06 From Mary Burgers : Fake gothic ruins and stuff 18:54:10 From Catherine Kneale : Or they're built as ruins 18:54:49 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : The Folly Fellowship is a great source of information http://follies.org.uk/index.php/what-is-a-folly/ 18:55:06 From Gabrielle (She/They) : Any US castle is technically a folly, there are some great ones! 18:55:13 From holly Elsdon : or housed a hermit to impress your friends at parties 18:55:26 From KK Rose : Ah, okay. I love this. Thanks! 18:55:49 From Gabrielle (She/They) : One my my fave tourist traps in the UK is Forbidden Corner, which is a series of bad follies and terrifying puppets. 18:55:50 From Kit Whitfield : I feel like abandoned theme parks might be a kind of US equivalent to British follies? 18:56:05 From Julie Buyer : except those were built for a purpose 18:56:11 From howard david ingham : We have plenty of those 18:56:30 From howard david ingham : Although: Carniva of Souls: quintessential US folk horror 18:56:38 From Kit Whitfield : True. Not an exact equivalent; they just feel to me like they have a similar feeling of a game from times past... 18:56:47 From holly Elsdon : I love really kitsch shell houses too 18:57:14 From angela pezel : Belvedere Castle in Central Park comes to my mind. 18:57:19 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : god I love a shell house 18:57:25 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : The tackier the better 18:57:33 From howard david ingham : fairgrounds (US: carnivals) are a sort of congregational place that isn't a church. and are therefor pagan and lliminal. 18:57:51 From howard david ingham : that's my theory and I'm sticking to it 18:57:53 From Giving Ground : lots carny folklore and fake lore 18:58:18 From Giving Ground : also the US does have its own version of the Wild Hunt 18:58:38 From Julie Buyer : not all non-church gathering places are pagan, though. 18:58:58 From Kai D : Z Nation has an episode set in a church (and the basement below it) and also an episode set in a funfair. In the latter the 'bad guys' are a group of Juggalos. 18:58:58 From Gabrielle (She/They) : Oh, that’s really interesting! Love carni-punk and folklore 18:59:19 From Kit Whitfield : Secular, sure, but not all equally … I don’t know, inspiring a sense of shared feeling? Magic? 18:59:36 From KK Rose : Now I'm wondering if things like our giant dinosaurs on American roadsides are follies, since they're built for amusement alone. I'll be looking at the link about follies. 18:59:44 From Nat : The Secular Sublime? 18:59:51 From Kai D : Oo 19:00:07 From Kai D : (Nat I love that) 19:00:21 From Julie Buyer : Christianity isn't the only religion, you guys 19:00:41 From Julie Buyer : synagogues and mosques are neither pagan nor churches 19:01:00 From Giving Ground : and the syncretism between Xtian and other faiths gets very interesting in terms of follklore 19:01:53 From Julie Buyer : that's not how I'd phrase that, given how it happened 19:02:00 From Garry Bliss : Birdcast? 19:02:12 From Kit Whitfield : Bergcast I think 19:02:34 From Giving Ground : local wights/spirits get repurposed as saints or “ghosts” 19:03:45 From Gail Ashurst : The Photograph? I was thinking of this earlier on. 19:03:46 From Julie Buyer : Ah, I misunderstood what syncretic meant. Sorry 19:04:30 From Ian Moore : Bergcast here I think: https://bergcast.room207press.com 19:10:24 From Kit Whitfield : Wow. 19:12:26 From Deborah : yep 19:12:27 From Greg Reynard : Seen it! 19:12:42 From KK Rose : I hadn't heard of Robin Redbreast til today. 19:32:13 From Garry Bliss : MUTE, people, please 19:33:25 From Madeleine D'Este : I’m thinking of parallels with Rosemary’s Baby 19:35:36 From Nat : yellow wallpaper vibes 19:37:35 From Garry Bliss : Nat - I was thinking the same. WHAT a story. 19:39:27 From Kit Whitfield : “The vision of a woman, wild 19:39:36 From Kit Whitfield : With more than womanly despair. 19:39:47 From Nat : A Woman Sobbing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXH2thnbsrk 19:40:01 From Kit Whitfield : - Mary Elizabeth Coleridge 19:55:03 From Ellis : Thanks! Fantastic! 19:55:38 From Julie Buyer : Thanks! 19:55:38 From rkent : Thanks!!! 19:55:38 From Méabh de Brún : That was so interesting thank you! 19:55:38 From Ian Moore : Thanks Jon! 19:55:39 From Oli Hembrough : really thorough and insightful thanks so much 19:55:39 From GILL LAKER : Brilliant - thanks for that! 19:55:39 From Deborah : fantastic thanks 19:55:39 From Giving Ground : fascinating and informative 19:55:39 From Sian Pearce : Thank you - great talk 19:55:39 From Alice : Brilliant, so much to go try and see, thank you! 19:55:58 From David Allkins : That was a great talk 19:56:03 From angela pezel : thank you so very much! 19:56:04 From Frances : thanks so much 19:56:26 From Alex Stevens : That was brilliant, insightful. lined up for a watch (Hetty Wainthrope re-watch...) 19:56:27 From Any Questions? : Thank you! 19:57:18 From roachg : Anyone know where I might see Dark Secret? 19:57:18 From angela pezel : I must now seek out Robin Redbreast... 19:57:25 From Maria Connor : I remember liking that HW episode when it came out 19:59:32 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Ah, an inevitable downfall 20:01:01 From Maria Connor : hubris, the fatal arrogance is exactly what got Pentheus too... 20:01:22 From Nat : you have come of your own free will.... 20:01:44 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : ...as the oracle foretold you would, of course 20:02:44 From Garry Bliss : Q: Expalain to a non UK er what the deal is with “traveling” people? 20:02:45 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Absolutely agree, racism against travellers and gypsy people is appalling in the UK 20:03:01 From Catherine Kneale : And still acceptable when other forms aren't 20:03:07 From Maria Connor : There's a hail of leeks and rabid sheep heading for you in the comments 20:03:35 From Alex Stevens : I think there is a distinction between gypsy, Romani and traveller. 20:03:41 From Garry Bliss : Thank you. Did not know that is what “traveling people” meant. 20:04:33 From Ellis : There's a lot of legislation making it increasingly hard to live as a traveller in the UK, and violence against traveller communities. 20:04:42 From Julie Buyer : Romani are the other ethnic group targeted specifically in the Holocaust, as well 20:04:46 From Catherine Kneale : And it's getting worse under proposed laws 20:04:50 From Nat : and lump them in with classism and label them as scroungers etc 20:05:22 From Sian Pearce : Lots more information on GRT issues at https://www.gypsy-traveller.org/ 20:05:39 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Thanks Sian 20:06:19 From Garry Bliss : Thank you, Sian. 20:06:27 From Maria Connor : is there a metaphor for the dangers of opium/marijuana here? 20:06:55 From Maria Connor : sounds a lot like the drug panics 20:07:00 From Gail Ashurst : Thanks for an interesting talk, Jon. I'm particularly interested in the aesthetics of folk horror. What, if any, recurring visual tropes have you discovered in the work of John Bowen? 20:07:24 From ANNE MUIR : thank you that’s great! 20:10:15 From Ollie Smith : Question: can you talk more about how Bowen uses ending or dysfunctional relationships/ what is the relevance to his message? do you see this as a reflection on patriarchal structures? 20:10:24 From Nat : what do you think the marble represents in robin redbreast? 20:11:13 From John Etherington : If anyone is interested in finding out more about Roma community, "The Stopping Places" by Damian Le Bas is great 20:12:08 From Alex Stevens : very interesting book 20:12:20 From Kit Whitfield : Just wanted to say thanks - had to stop to put my son to bed, but what I got to hear was great! :-) 20:14:03 From Catherine Kneale : I just found this great sounding book https://www.travellerstimes.org.uk/features/tt-profile-author-gypsy-campfire-stories-gd-jones 20:15:32 From Cheryl : Applause! 20:15:36 From Catherine Kneale : Thank you!! 20:15:37 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Thank you! That was great! 20:15:40 From John Etherington : 👏👏👏 20:15:40 From Ellis : Thanks! Really interesting! 20:15:40 From Clare Marsh : Fascinating - thanks! 20:15:42 From Alex Stevens : Thanks Jon! 20:15:45 From Matthew Thirlwell : Thanks Jon! 20:15:46 From David Allkins : Applause 20:16:08 From holly Elsdon : thank you! 20:16:11 From Deborah : Thanks Jon - Excellent ! 20:16:11 From Gail Ashurst : Thanks! 20:16:17 From DC : Thanks! 20:16:23 From Mary : thank you! 20:16:27 From shaun clark : could the chat be saved? it would be good to have a copy of everyone’s links posted today 20:16:53 From Ellis : We can also save our own chat. The three dots at the bottom right of the chat window. 20:16:55 From Giving Ground : if you leave and return it wipes the chat before that point 20:16:59 From shaun clark : brilliant 20:17:29 From Garry Bliss : Seems like a good group to ask, any suggestions on where a writer could submit rural gothic stories for print? 20:17:42 From Giving Ground : I’ll sacrifice a beer to the old Gods 20:18:11 From Catherine Kneale : I'm a Discordian, you don't want me doing any worship! 20:18:17 From Giving Ground : Garry these days you’d be better off self publishing 20:18:44 From Nat : I saw Hermetic Arts do "Unburied" back when theatres were still a thing and it was GREAT so very excited about this 20:19:02 From Giving Ground : short story market has always been tricky 20:19:07 From Ellis : Garry, I'm fond of Corvid Queen for anything related to fairy tales/folk tales. They're not open to subs at the moment but I hope they're re-open. Minimal pay but a lovely site, visually. 20:19:14 From Julie Buyer : For finding freelance markets: 20:19:16 From Julie Buyer : https://thegrinder.diabolicalplots.com/Search/ByFilter 20:19:50 From Julie Buyer : you can search by genre for horror, and with other filters as well 20:20:05 From Garry Bliss : TY GG, Ellis, and JB 20:20:14 From Giving Ground : as a discordian isn’t the telephone the most powerful thing? 20:20:34 From Giving Ground : at least Ken Campbell thought so 20:20:48 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : I wasn’t sure what “Carbury Gifts” were so I googled… and got a delightful selection of CADBURY chocolate gifts. 20:21:05 From Catherine Kneale : @giving ground I haven't heard that. You know more of my lore than I do! 20:21:14 From Giving Ground : can you still get that Cadbury money box thing? 20:21:42 From Julie Buyer : I had the same issue re Carbury gifts 20:22:08 From howard david ingham : Stay tuned and maybe all will be clear 20:22:14 From Giving Ground : King Arthur Cadbury gifts is a dream crossover 20:22:17 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : @Giving Ground - just seeing chocolates on offer. 20:22:22 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : @howard: That’s the plan! 20:23:33 From Catherine Kneale : The money box thing where you put in 2p and got a tiny chocolate bar? I have also just found the Ken Campbell reference, silly me I had forgotten. 20:24:18 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Oh wow, those were god-tier items in the Argos catalogue 20:24:37 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Up there with a mini electric car and a popcorn maker shaped like Snoopy 20:27:30 From WYRD WAR : Anyone else hear that 20:27:38 From Deborah : yep 20:27:38 From Catherine Kneale : And Mr Frostie who made slushies (I think) 20:27:39 From Helena Nash : Yup. 20:27:39 From Giving Ground : yes. high pitched whine 20:27:42 From Ollie Smith : yeah 20:28:03 From Jon Black : Yep. 20:28:04 From Cheryl : Cable might be loose 20:28:04 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : where's test card F when you need it 20:28:10 From Catherine Kneale : lol 20:28:32 From Nat : maybe the high pitched wine is immersive theatre..... 20:28:37 From Jon Black : LOL. 20:29:00 From Helena Nash : I think this is how you wipe out a stone tape... 20:29:11 From Catherine Kneale : pretend we still can't hear him 20:29:47 From Nat : EXCITEDDDDDD 20:31:23 From John Finnemore : Chris Lincé - The Shadow That Makes Everything Spooky. There’s his epitaph. 20:32:48 From WYRD WAR : Can someone explain how to raise my hand? I can do other reactions but have not figured out the hand raise on my laptop 20:32:52 From Hermetic Arts : John Finnemore, to be fair - on BADD and APRIL, Carrie was her own spooky writing shadow. I just did the pictures. In the shadows. 20:33:17 From Nat : @wyrdwar it's the "reaction" button on the bottom taskbar - you should see it if you hover over the main screen 20:33:26 From Garry Bliss : Click participants. That is one of the options at the bottom of the window listing eeryone 20:33:58 From howard david ingham : @Wyrd War, three dots on the bottom right of the participants window, or "reaction" on the bottom taskbar 20:34:09 From Garry Bliss : The Reaction Button = Thumbs Up emoji or Clapping Emoji 20:34:35 From Garry Bliss : It’s in view when you have Participants window open 21:21:06 From Helena Nash : that was fantastic. Thank you. 21:21:13 From Cheryl : Applause! 21:21:16 From Brigid Burke : Wow. Just wow. 21:21:16 From Andy Gell : WoW 21:21:16 From Nat : D: 21:21:20 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : nopenopenopenopenope 21:21:20 From Kit Whitfield : Thta 21:21:21 From Ellis : AMAZING! 21:21:21 From Tom De Ville : Brilliant!!! 21:21:25 From John Etherington : 👏👏👏 21:21:27 From angela pezel : that was great! 21:21:27 From Deborah : Great, thank you1 21:21:27 From John Finnemore : Bravo! 21:21:30 From Catherine Kneale : That was amazing! Thank you!! 21:21:31 From Lucya & John : Marvellous 21:21:32 From Bon O'Hara : APPLAUSE 21:21:32 From Alex Stevens : That was great! 21:21:35 From Steven Key : That was fantastic 21:21:35 From Sandra Ireland : Fantastic!!! 21:21:35 From Kai D : that was fucking awesome 21:21:35 From Julie Buyer : Wow 21:21:35 From Amy Peters : brilliant! 21:21:36 From Matthew Thirlwell : Loved it! Great stuff Carrie and Chris! 21:21:36 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : That was brilliant 21:21:42 From Alice : Wonderful and chilling! 21:21:56 From Kit Whitfield : That was SO SO GOOD!!! 21:21:56 From Bon O'Hara : really enjoyed that, she's brilliant 21:21:56 From Louise O'Mahony : Yesss, so good 21:21:56 From Julie Buyer : incredible acting 21:21:56 From Pinkie : My internet kept giving out at the end of that adding to the tension even more! 21:21:56 From Lara-Rose Iredale : APPLAUSE 21:21:56 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : That was great! Well done!! 21:21:59 From Garry Platt : Superb 21:22:01 From Kit Whitfield : Whoooo! 21:22:01 From Glyn Evans : That was a belter! 🤘🏻 21:22:01 From Frances : fab thank you 21:22:17 From David Allkins : CLAPPING 21:22:17 From Osama Alqurashi : Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 21:22:34 From Kit Whitfield : Where do I sign up for more of your awesome work? 21:22:43 From Kai D : Is all of it fictional? 21:22:46 From Garry Platt : Is it based on Avebury? 21:22:53 From Theresa Dewa : Are you planning on performing this piece again? 21:23:12 From Ellis : Is the murderous statue based on any specific rural myths? (e.g. Is that sinister obelisk in Dorchester actually a protective pillar?) 21:23:15 From Garry Platt : Question: Is it based on Avebury? 21:23:20 From David Allkins : Bravo 21:23:27 From Hermetic Arts : @hermetic_arts 21:24:15 From Catherine Kneale : Made me think of golems 21:24:18 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : We're back to follies again! 21:25:26 From Julie Buyer : golems only do what they're told, though... 21:25:41 From Mike Nolan : Loved that. As a roleplayer would love to see "Bothered about Dungeons & Dragons" - reminiscent of "Mazes & Monsters"? 21:25:44 From Garry Platt : Avebury has a gift shop right in the centre. 21:25:49 From Catherine Kneale : are they like robots and misinterpret how to follow orders though? 21:26:08 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : I was really intrigued by how you integrated the claustrophobia of lockdown with the claustrophobic atmosphere of a small rural location. Have you found the last few months more inspirational than they really ought to be? 21:26:14 From Julie Buyer : depends on the version, but they're generally supposed to be very literal 21:26:28 From Ellis : Do you find there's a punitive strand to myths about protective folklore beings? 21:26:56 From Louise O'Mahony : But the tragic misinterpretation of instructions is common - extremely literal 21:27:08 From Theresa Dewa : check out the link on the backcover of the comic book. ;) 21:27:16 From Helena Nash : I am loving the comic :) 21:27:57 From Garry Platt : Question: Can we see the statue as a metaphor? Perhaps for child abuse? 21:29:06 From Kit Whitfield : Is there any way to watch your previous work? 21:29:08 From Julie Buyer : @Louise, not really in golem stories, as far as I know. There are versions where that happens, usually to comic affect, but the main strain of golem stories is protecting a Jewish community from blood libel accusations and violence 21:30:21 From John Etherington : PAM'S PANTSUIT 21:30:43 From Catherine Kneale : @Julie But this is about the two sides of protection and how that can become oppression, to me anyway 21:33:28 From Julie Buyer : I can see that, especially from a gentile viewpoint. From a Jewish perspective, from what I've learned so far, golem stories are less about that and more about creating a protector in the face of government-sponsored or government-tacitly-allowed violence by the majority toward the minority for made-up crimes 21:34:08 From Ellis : Ah the wobbly man 21:34:13 From Catherine Kneale : very interesting. 21:34:24 From Julie Buyer : there was an interesting session on golems at Limmud a few years back by a speaker who knows a lot more than me, I'll see if I can dig up his name 21:34:35 From Catherine Kneale : That would be great, thank you! 21:34:41 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : The Devil's Bridge is a really common motif in folklore 21:34:47 From Louise O'Mahony : Nice, thanks @Julie 21:34:50 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : It's in the motif index 21:34:52 From Garry Platt : Question: Question: Do you think that our lives today are impacted by ancient pre christian beliefs and frameworks? 21:35:00 From Sian Pearce : Devil 1 - Welsh old lady 0] 21:35:37 From Julie Buyer : in a lot of golem stories, the people the golem kills deserve it 21:36:12 From Ellis : Thank you! Awesome exploration of all that. 21:37:34 From Sasha Wilson : could you expand on the folklore and fascism? 21:37:46 From Julie Buyer : That's another difference: golem stories always have Jews as a targeted minority, not as a majority power 21:39:44 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Extremely cursed object 21:39:54 From Helena Nash : What is the name of all that's holy 21:40:04 From Mike Nolan : stay away from the steam tunnels. 21:40:06 From holly Elsdon : ! Ive got one of those 21:40:25 From Nat : Question : we were talking earlier in the chat about creepypasta and whether internet-based / found-footage (e.g. Host) plays a similar role to folk horror but in the online realm. I saw Unburied when you did it, so know you're interested in both : any thoughts in that area? 21:40:32 From John Finnemore : Where can I get one of those pretty cats? 21:40:44 From holly Elsdon : it was my mothers and I hide it 21:40:48 From Nat : (sorry if been covered, had to step out for 10 mins) 21:40:58 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : John - it involves a mirror, candles, and 3am 21:41:10 From Julie Buyer : folklore as a way to create an idealized past that never existed 21:41:19 From Julie Buyer : Nazis were super into German folklore 21:41:27 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : And it's always a superficial understanding 21:41:44 From Julie Buyer : also as a vehicle for nationalism 21:42:11 From Catherine Kneale : I have seen Alan Moore talk very brilliantly on landscape from the other perspective. Because Alan Moore needs another name drop. I can't reproduce it though 21:42:17 From Nat : nazis still super into norse runes and mythology..... like, hands OFF 21:42:53 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : The Nazis are getting on the wrong side of the heathens and norse pagans, that's not going to end well for them 21:44:30 From Mike Nolan : it won't bring back their apples. Next year Lord Summerisle will be in the Wicker Man. 21:44:37 From Brigid Burke : Well, you do have a tribalism in the Wicker Man…and tribalism does not work in our modern, globalized world. There’s an insider/outsider view that isn’t quite right in a connected world… 21:45:35 From Julie Buyer : Joshua Breindel Josh Breindel, rabbi, serves at Congregation Beth El, Sudbury. He holds master's degrees in Jewish studies and Jewish education and was ordained at Hebrew College. He is fascinated by Jewish folklore and storytelling and has a passion for speculative fiction. 21:45:39 From Julie Buyer : that's the speaker from the panel at Limmud on golems 21:45:49 From Catherine Kneale : Fantastic! Adding to the growing list! 21:45:52 From Julie Buyer : the panel was at the 2019 conference 21:46:35 From Garry Platt : QUESTION: What’s the statue’s position on littering? 21:46:57 From Nat : oh god i did a "this is more of a comment than a question" didn't i. horrifying 21:47:59 From Nat : Channel Zero is good fun (TOOTH MONSTER AUGH) 21:48:43 From Brigid Burke : Definitely a trend on YouTube of reading Reddit “true paranormal” stories and such… 21:48:55 From Julie Buyer : the intersection of shared storytelling and copyright is a minefield. A very fascinating minefield. 21:49:10 From Julie Buyer : they sued! 21:49:49 From Theresa Dewa : Nancy Springer wrote it like a decade ago. And the estate was okay with the stories for years 21:50:04 From Theresa Dewa : They're such a sad estate that way. 21:50:09 From Julie Buyer : The Doyle estate is apparently notorious for this type of thing 21:50:10 From Nat : i can point them to a bunch of xtremely emotional fanfiction 21:50:19 From John Etherington : Doyle literally said people could do anything they wanted with Holmes 21:50:37 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : There's something in this about postmodern instability w/r/t identity and meaning in the face of self-referential iterative online fiction but frankly I'm three glasses in sooooo 21:50:44 From Theresa Dewa : Oh, the Doyle estate the company is really bad with this. Not his family. 21:51:11 From Jonathan Black : Thank you. The Q&A was as remarkable as the performance. 21:51:15 From Kit Whitfield : applause!!! 21:51:19 From Cheryl : Applause! 21:51:21 From Helena Nash : Thank you very much. 21:51:21 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Thank you! 21:51:29 From Pinkie : Thank you!!! 21:51:29 From Catherine Kneale : clap clap clap!!! 21:51:29 From Ellis : YAAAAAAAAY 21:51:29 From Julie Buyer : That was incredible! 21:51:29 From Kai D : *VIGOROUS APPLAUSE* 21:51:29 From Nat : thank you!!!! 21:51:32 From Ian Moore : VG 21:51:33 From Osama Alqurashi : Thank you Carrie and Chris👏👏👏👏👏 21:51:35 From Matthew Thirlwell : YAAY!! Thank you both! 21:51:39 From holly Elsdon : lots of clapping! 21:51:43 From David Allkins : Applause 21:53:20 From David Allkins : Afraid I have to go but thank you everybody for a great evening 21:57:55 From Garry Bliss : I’m back. Everyone miss me lots? I went for a run. 21:58:27 From howard david ingham : we forgive you, Garry. 21:58:34 From Garry Bliss : Thank you. That’s all I can ask. 21:59:20 From Kit Whitfield : Does anyone know how long the last talk is going to be? I’m interested, but I’m gonna have to wake up at Small Child O’Clock tomorrow... 22:00:22 From howard david ingham : we're aiming to be done at 11ish 22:00:24 From Kit Whitfield : Cheers. 22:00:39 From Aaron Bobick : Al Al Al Al Al!!!! 22:00:39 From Aaron Bobick : YAY!!! 22:00:39 From Julie Buyer : That's one advantage to being in a different time zone: here it's only 5 pm! 22:00:53 From Alex Stevens : What a backdrop 22:01:03 From Kit Whitfield : Yes. 22:01:04 From Ian Moore : yes 22:01:05 From Estelle Oakthorn : yes 22:01:06 From Franchesca Todd : Yes, 22:01:07 From Justin Mullis : Yes 22:01:10 From Julie Buyer : yes 22:01:34 From Helena Nash : Loud and clear 22:01:36 From Glyn Evans : yes 22:01:55 From Franchesca Todd : I love Bone and Sickle so much. I am fangirling. 22:01:55 From Justin Mullis : Do we finally get to see what the Bone & Sickle studio looks like? 22:01:55 From Giving Ground : muted? 22:01:57 From Julie Buyer : crucifixes are so creepy and disturbing to me. they're so...graphic 22:02:18 From Theresa Dewa : I love the background tbh. This is amazing. 22:02:20 From Julie Buyer : also, finally, someplace more cluttered than my living room! 22:02:34 From Julie Buyer : is that a background? I thought that was the room he's in 22:02:35 From annie k : yay, hullo, Al!!! 22:02:38 From angela pezel : I am living for this man and his background. 22:02:41 From Lara-Rose Iredale : Décor Goals 22:02:42 From Aaron Bobick : I, too, am having a fanboy moment 22:02:48 From Estelle Oakthorn : you look the part Al :) 22:02:53 From Mary : he needs to join voice call. left hand side bottom. I had that problem too 22:02:53 From Justin Mullis : The monkey in the fez is unexpected 22:02:56 From Theresa Dewa : I Spy game anyone? 22:03:00 From Cat Kelly (Mariner) : Oh wow, yes 22:03:10 From Julie Buyer : or phantom 22:03:13 From Julie Buyer : of the opera 22:03:33 From Kai D : Surprise pheasant! <3 22:03:49 From Julie Buyer : manikins are also creepy. Though that may be because of that episode of Doctor Who.... 22:04:06 From Alex Stevens : you mean what a pheasant surprise? 22:04:40 From Garry Bliss : Look forward to more! 22:04:41 From Catherine Kneale : I'm having a brilliant day! And there's more tomorrow! 22:04:52 From Julie Buyer : this has been tons of fun 22:04:56 From annie k : sad I’ve missed a chunk but LOVED what I’ve been able to experience. thank you! 22:04:57 From Justin Mullis : You've done a great job putting on this conference 22:05:03 From Garry Bliss : Sorry to be missing tomorrow. My plans changed. Driving The Son to NYC. 22:05:09 From Brigid Burke : Happy to be here—and it’s much earlier in the U.S., only 5PM here, so not getting tired yet! 22:05:12 From Julie Buyer : and a great excuse to procrastinate on all of the cooking and baking I'm meant to be doing for tomorrow night and sunday 22:06:06 From Kit Whitfield : Yeah, good deal! 22:06:30 From Estelle Oakthorn : can’t wait for the Highgate Vampire one tomorrow 🦇 22:06:35 From Julie Buyer : is the mic attached to the computer properly 22:06:36 From Julie Buyer : ? 22:06:50 From Mary Burgers : He can’t hear you if he’s not connected to audio 22:07:03 From angela pezel : I am going to have to start doing Twitter I guess I hardly ever use it. 22:07:07 From Justin Mullis : We get Werewolf Cults and the Highgate Vampire tomorrow 22:07:10 From Julie Buyer : I really wanted to see the Highgate Vampire one, but alas, in the US it takes place after the start of Erev Yomi Kippur, so I can't 22:07:26 From Estelle Oakthorn : 🎩🦇 22:07:30 From Julie Buyer : I'm hoping to get a recording, if possible, so I don't miss out entirely 22:07:41 From Julie Buyer : *yom not Yomi 22:07:51 From annie k : Al, so sorry the audio is being a bear 22:08:00 From Elinor : had this issue in a zoom the other day and they fixed by computer reboot 22:08:09 From howard david ingham : Julie, we know that Highgate Vampire talk will be one of those that will be available after the fact. 22:08:14 From Julie Buyer : it wouldn't be a zoom event without *any* tech problems 22:08:17 From Garry Platt : This might be a stupid observation but has he got the mic switched on? 22:08:17 From Lara-Rose Iredale : Romany is an incredible speaker and the Highgate Vampires talk is one I've not hear her deliver before, so I'm super looking forward to it 22:08:23 From Julie Buyer : great! It sounds so interesting! 22:08:37 From howard david ingham : I've had a preview. What I've seen is AWESOME. 22:08:44 From Madeleine D'Este : @howard - good to know about the Highgate one! 22:08:45 From Estelle Oakthorn : Highgate is a wonderful place 22:09:02 From Pinkie : Looking forward to Romany tomorrow, seen her talks before and caught some of her Abney tours, wonderful speaker 22:09:05 From Justin Mullis : @Howard David Ingham, you're talk isn't in Italian right? You're just talking about Italian horror films? 22:09:07 From Julie Buyer : someday I will get to the UK 22:09:15 From Kit Whitfield : Are there going to be transcripts for these talks? 22:09:21 From Mary Burgers : I also thought it was going to be in Italian 22:09:32 From howard david ingham : @Justin, yes, it's about Italian horror films set in England. Can confirm that I do not speak Italian 22:09:34 From Julie Buyer : there's one tomorrow that's in Italian, I think 22:09:36 From Mary Burgers : Relieved if it’s just talking about Fulci etc instead 22:09:54 From howard david ingham : It is, MAry 22:10:03 From Justin Mullis : Okay. For some reason I think someone on FB said it was in Italian 22:10:20 From Julie Buyer : the parenthetical (only in Italian) made me think so as well 22:10:24 From Franchesca Todd : Happy. 22:10:25 From Ian Moore : cool! 22:10:29 From Alex Howard : yes! 22:10:31 From Alex Stevens : yes 22:10:32 From John Etherington : yes 22:10:32 From Estelle Oakthorn : yes 22:10:36 From WYRD WAR : Totally 22:10:42 From Hanna Åberg : yes! 22:10:56 From Jonathan Neumann : Al! 22:10:59 From Madeleine D'Este : wow 22:11:03 From Estelle Oakthorn : 😃 22:11:04 From Garry Bliss : Al !!! 22:11:04 From Justin Mullis : He speaks! 22:11:04 From Kit Whitfield : Hello Al’s voice! 22:11:08 From Julie Buyer : and now his video's gone! 22:11:25 From Aaron Bobick : yay al!!!! 22:11:26 From Nat : yes Al definitely wins the prize for most on-brand aesthetic backdrop 22:11:38 From Julie Buyer : definitely 22:11:42 From Estelle Oakthorn : love it 22:11:47 From Pinkie : I am very jealous of that room 22:11:59 From Kit Whitfield : Oh, I have that! 22:12:57 From Justin Mullis : How's your were-bear problem? 22:13:32 From Garry Bliss : I’m beek, too. Curious of the overlap here with beeks. 22:15:15 From howard david ingham : Seriously, thanks guys. 22:17:42 From Nat : ooh i love a night hag 22:18:02 From Brigid Burke : Love the night hag subject—I did a podcast on it last year. 22:20:52 From Bon O'Hara : tale of tales is gorgeous 22:21:59 From Aaron Bobick : to your health! 22:23:28 From Justin Mullis : Seen this one 22:23:38 From Jordan Wolfe : an all time favorite 22:24:09 From Jordan Wolfe : the three sequels are great as well 22:24:09 From Justin Mullis : In the US it was re-edited and shown in grindhouse theaters as a Planet of the Apes film 22:25:01 From Julie Buyer : the Templar thing is so funny once you've listened to Patrick Wyman's Tides of History episode on them 22:27:52 From Glyn Evans : Witching & Bitching... It is, errr, totally bitchin’! 22:28:24 From angela pezel : I hope we see a complete list of these films! 22:28:51 From Andy Gell : Loads are on Prime so far 22:29:19 From Nat : do u want to live deliciously 22:29:19 From Madeleine D'Este : Errementari is awesome 22:29:32 From Aaron Bobick : this movie is fantastic! 22:29:35 From Elinor : fun film 22:29:58 From Mark (The Folklore Podcast) : Al will make the list of films available on his website, but we can also request it to send out by email if you can't access it another way 22:30:21 From Estelle Oakthorn : thanks 😊 22:30:26 From angela pezel : thank you! 22:30:57 From Justin Mullis : Der Golem! 22:34:01 From Jon Black : "The Hills are Alive With the Sound of Screaming" -- excellent. 22:36:59 From Justin Mullis : I want to see The White Reindeer. I didn't know it was streaming. 22:37:17 From holly Elsdon : BFI player 22:37:26 From Aaron Bobick : oh, Bjork... I love her! 22:39:05 From holly Elsdon : Love Troll Hunter 22:39:06 From Justin Mullis : Big fan of both Troll Hunter and Rare Exports 22:40:12 From Estelle Oakthorn : Yes Troll Hunter was good 22:40:58 From Madeleine D'Este : border is also fantastically strange 22:41:19 From holly Elsdon : agreed 22:41:55 From Jon Black : I've always wanted to see this one. 22:42:55 From holly Elsdon : My all time favourite film! 22:44:06 From shaun clark : fantastic soundtrack 22:44:23 From shaun clark : finders keepers record label 22:47:26 From Justin Mullis : My girlfriend and I have a long standing debate if Belle slept with the Beast prior to his transformation 22:47:53 From Aaron Bobick : Frau Perchta!! 22:48:22 From Ian Moore : In every illustrated version of Beauty & the Beast, the Beast always looks way sexier before he returns to human form. 22:49:45 From Kai D : Justin when I was a kid and had a very vague idea of both sex and metaphor as concepts, I honestly wasn't sure whether the 'A whole new world' musical number in Disney's Aladdin was supposed to be a metaphor for them having sex. 22:50:10 From Nat : they'd have got carpet-burn 22:50:14 From Julie Buyer : That never occurred to me until just now. 22:52:29 From annie k : Baba Yaga *swoon* 22:52:41 From Aaron Bobick : ^ditto 22:52:42 From Justin Mullis : Viy is fantastic 22:53:00 From holly Elsdon : Best witch ever 22:55:14 From holly Elsdon : Really enjoyed the tv series Gogol too 22:56:47 From Justin Mullis : I find it interesting that Gogol has - like Lovecraft - gone from being an author to an occult sleuth in fiction 22:58:02 From Julie Buyer : I wonder if it's because the author's name is more recognizable/famous than any of the characters, so writers put them in as characters. That would make sense with Lovecraft, at least 22:58:55 From holly Elsdon : and Freud.... 23:00:29 From Nat : and Frankenstein 23:03:56 From DC : Thank you, fascinating! 23:04:09 From Jonathan Neumann : Great stuff! 23:04:14 From Andy Gell : Thank you Al 23:04:18 From annie k : excellent— thank so much, Al! 23:04:20 From Glyn Evans : Niiiiiiiiiiiice 🤘🏻 23:04:25 From holly Elsdon : wishing I'd put the hall light on now..... 23:04:25 From Helena Nash : Great stuff, thank you. 23:04:27 From Alex Howard : Thank you! 23:04:32 From angela pezel : that was amazing! 23:04:32 From Cheryl : Applause! 23:04:36 From Catherine Kneale : Thank you!!! 23:04:38 From Alice : Very informative, thank you! 23:04:43 From Ian Moore : Applauso 23:04:45 From Alex Stevens : Amazing! thank you 23:04:45 From Julie Buyer : Thanks! 23:04:45 From Franchesca Todd : Wild applause. 23:04:49 From Rachelle : That was amazing 23:04:53 From Estelle Oakthorn : thank you! 23:04:53 From annie k : And each episode is fabulous! 23:04:53 From Hermetic Arts : Thank you 23:04:57 From Kit Whitfield : thank you!! 23:05:01 From holly Elsdon : Thanks Al- loads of great films familiar and new! 23:05:05 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : Great overview! Thanks! 23:05:18 From WYRD WAR : Same, very smooth 23:05:20 From Bon O'Hara : it was smoothe for us to 23:05:23 From iPhone : really thorough! thanks for all of your hard work 👏🏻 23:05:23 From John Etherington : the Finnish film about tail removal of folk character: metaphor for cultural genocide of Saami and other indigenous folks? 23:05:23 From Helen Kneale : Thank you so much! 23:05:25 From Frances : thank you really inteesting 23:06:02 From Kit Whitfield : What do you think of Dreyer’s Day Of Wrath? :-) 23:06:45 From Kit Whitfield : no, it has sound 23:07:51 From Helena Nash : Yes it was Jason Flemyng. 23:07:54 From Estelle Oakthorn : Brotherhood of the Wolf has been a favourite of mine 23:08:03 From Glyn Evans : It’s Flemyng 23:08:23 From Justin Mullis : They made a recent sequel to the remake of Viy with Jackie Chan and Schwarzenegger in it 23:08:50 From Bon O'Hara : lol, seriously? 23:09:13 From Franchesca Todd : Question: Why do you think there's so much folklore in the Czech/Slovakian area? 23:09:16 From Bon O'Hara : I thought Justin was joking 23:09:45 From Justin Mullis : Oh it's a joke but I don't think the Russians meant it to be 23:10:07 From Bon O'Hara : question: do you know of any other representations of the Hulda on film? 23:10:09 From Glyn Evans : It’s fucking dreadful as well - altho Arnie looked like he was having fun 23:10:19 From Madeleine D'Este : No French folk-horror? 23:10:29 From Aaron Bobick : Al, when can we see another book from you? 23:10:32 From Franchesca Todd : Thank you. :) 23:11:11 From Aaron Bobick : Well don't do that 23:11:19 From Nat : @Bon Jordskott is huldra-adjacent 23:11:56 From Estelle Oakthorn : visually stunning 23:12:05 From Bon O'Hara : omg that looks AMAZING, thanks! 23:12:07 From Patrik Cekal : You should check out the latest Czech Folk horror films Hastrman and Leshy 23:12:13 From Helen Kneale : Huge fan of the podcast, thank you for that! 23:12:31 From Mike Nolan : Mario bava's Black Sabbath and the "Wurdulak" story? 23:12:58 From Bon O'Hara : marrianr and black spot both excellent 23:13:08 From Méabh de Brún : I LOOOVED Marianne, can't believe its been cancelled 23:13:13 From Helena Nash : There's some good folk horror in the French Netflix series Zone Blanche (Black Spot). 23:13:58 From Helen Kneale : Zone Blanche is great! 23:14:01 From Bon O'Hara : the idea is that internet etc doesn't work there 23:14:05 From Patrik Cekal : there will be also an anthology of three films from poland, czech republic and slovakia about folklore creatures and wild hunt 23:14:13 From Franchesca Todd : I'm Scottish and we're cool with the French. :P 23:14:28 From Estelle Oakthorn : thanks for an excellent presentation - thanks Al 23:14:33 From Estelle Oakthorn : night all 23:15:19 From Julie Buyer : I've always been afraid to watch Der Golem 23:15:29 From annie k : thank you so much! 23:15:31 From Helena Nash : Thank you Al. 23:15:35 From Bon O'Hara : isn't that just your hoiuse? 23:15:43 From Justin Mullis : The monkey and the fez? 23:15:52 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : I kind of expected you to be in “The Library” swirling brandy. 23:16:00 From Bon O'Hara : yeah I like your lil onion head guy 23:16:00 From Julie Buyer : we were talking about it during the technical issues 23:16:08 From Patrik Cekal : Here some more info about the anthology https://cineuropa.org/en/newsdetail/383276/#cm 23:16:18 From Nat : i admire your commitment to the aesthetic Al 23:16:41 From Garry Bliss : Thank you. This was a great day!!! 23:16:58 From Bon O'Hara : thanks so much! 23:17:03 From Bon O'Hara : and thanks Al! 23:17:05 From Catherine Kneale : Thank you so much! 23:17:05 From Garry Bliss : Sorry to be missing tomorrow. Will sign up for the next one. 23:17:16 From Madeleine D'Este : Thanks Mark & Howard for organising 23:17:18 From Julie Buyer : I'm so impressed with all you Brits for whom it's after 11 pm. You must be so exhausted. 23:17:22 From Patrik Cekal : Thank you it was really great!!! 23:17:25 From Bon O'Hara : Really looking forward to tomorrow 23:17:37 From Justin Mullis : Thanks Al! 23:17:40 From Julie Buyer : Me, too 23:17:43 From Franchesca Todd : Thank you so much, everyone. It's been brilliant. <3 23:17:47 From Cheryl : Applause! 23:17:49 From Nat : Thank you Mark and Howard for the hard work today! 23:17:53 From Elinor : always thought the French cheval mallet creature would make a good film 23:17:53 From Steven Key : Thanks Al. Loved that 23:17:55 From Jonathan Black : A great Day One! 23:17:55 From Kit Whitfield : Goodnight! 23:17:59 From Catherine Kneale : doesn't that all sound good?! 23:18:03 From Bon O'Hara : I really recommend Rich's talk, I've seen it before 23:18:06 From Greg Reynard and Tamara Rettino : Thanks Al! And thanks Mark and Howard! Really great day of fun! 23:18:10 From Catherine Kneale : Goodnight, Kit! 23:18:21 From Louise O'Mahony : Excellent moderation and organisation of a great day, thanks so much :) 23:18:49 From Nat : Borley Rectory is on Prime if anyone wants to catch it an advance 23:19:03 From Bon O'Hara : Amazing, thanks Nat 23:19:16 From Helena Nash : Well done chaps. Thanks for hosting. 23:19:22 From Ben Rive : Sleep well everyone! 23:19:28 From Hermetic Arts : Good night, Rural Goths! 23:19:31 From Franchesca Todd : Goodnight! 23:19:40 From Justin Mullis : Thanks for Day 1 Mark and Howard 23:19:44 From Andy Gell : Night Night. Don't have nightmares 23:19:44 From WYRD WAR : Thank you so much, we are really digging this! Can’t wait for tomorrow! 23:19:47 From Mike Nolan : goddnight! 23:19:53 From annie k : this has been worth far more than the ticket price — thank so much! 23:20:21 From Bon O'Hara : yes please! 23:20:24 From Nat : WOMEN IN FOLK HORROR YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 23:20:29 From Julie Buyer : that would be amazing 23:20:31 From Catherine Kneale : Yesss!!! 23:20:31 From iPhone : Yay! 23:20:37 From annie k : YAY! 23:20:39 From Julie Buyer : some non-Christian perspectives would be great too 23:20:43 From Bon O'Hara : can we branch out to people of colour too? 23:20:46 From Louise O'Mahony : AMazing 23:20:54 From Julie Buyer : great 23:21:11 From Catherine Kneale : fab 23:21:18 From Bon O'Hara : so exciting, cant wait until tomorrow! 23:21:30 From Catherine Kneale : Night all! 23:21:36 From Justin Mullis : Night 23:21:39 From Julie Buyer : Night all!